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What do you guys think?
Well executioner doesn't double proc (as per what I have been told) so its a mongoose executioner combo meal of pain.
Depending on the proc dynamics of executioner, I'm personally debating putting it on the S2 OH, with mongoose on the MH
Depending on the proc dynamics of executioner, I'm personally debating putting it on the S2 OH, with mongoose on the MH
im going executioner, with chain offhand
with serrated blades and a lil armor ignore ill pick up eventually, executioner procs will result in a lot of free hurt on resto shaman/warrior/paladin/bear dr00d
870 + 570 + maybe another 200-300 + full expose armor = booyah
with serrated blades and a lil armor ignore ill pick up eventually, executioner procs will result in a lot of free hurt on resto shaman/warrior/paladin/bear dr00d
870 + 570 + maybe another 200-300 + full expose armor = booyah
I'd really like to know if Executioner + Mongoose is better then Executioner + Executioner.
While Exe doesn't double proc, if you have 2, it usually means it'll be up more often. Even if you want to use a chain for pvp, there's still the matter of pve dps.
Despite the disarm change, I have yet to be disarmed (or even disarm others) that often myself. Not that many class can disarm and they need to be attacking us in order for us to be able to do it. Starting to wonder if Riposte is even worth taking... and I'm not the only one.
I'm thinking of going Exe + Mongoose... and putting a Weapon Chain on my S2 offhand, swapping it when I see warrior/rogues on the other team. I'll buy another S3 OH to put a Chain on it when I get the point.
While Exe doesn't double proc, if you have 2, it usually means it'll be up more often. Even if you want to use a chain for pvp, there's still the matter of pve dps.
Despite the disarm change, I have yet to be disarmed (or even disarm others) that often myself. Not that many class can disarm and they need to be attacking us in order for us to be able to do it. Starting to wonder if Riposte is even worth taking... and I'm not the only one.
I'm thinking of going Exe + Mongoose... and putting a Weapon Chain on my S2 offhand, swapping it when I see warrior/rogues on the other team. I'll buy another S3 OH to put a Chain on it when I get the point.
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870 + 570 + maybe another 200-300 + full expose armor = booyah
It's more then that tho.
570 = Serrated Blades
56 = S3 Ring
49 * 2 = S3 weapons
84 * 3 = S3 pants, chest and head
112 = Dory's Embrace (60 badges)
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1088 passive armor penetration.
840 = Executioner
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1928 Armor Penetration on Proc.
Then depending on EA being improve or not, you're can go up to 4000 or 5000 armor penetration.
What this tells me however, is that imp EA is kinda 'dead'. With 4k Armor Penetration, you're already over shooting all clothies and rogue's armor. Yes, the extra k is going to be useful for mail and plate wearers, but where the 2 talents points used to be useful on everybody, they've just lost a lot of their power.
Yea, that is if you can equip for that Tyrandor. That's a rather impressive amount of gear to get you know. If you ended up becoming that geared, I would expect you to eventually end up replacing EA.
Armor Penetration is definitely the new attack power though.
Armor Penetration is definitely the new attack power though.
i saw ONE warrior ever disarm me since the patch
and it was in a duel, and i was like... wow im ****** impressed lol
granted i vanished the **** out of it but the point remains
my build cant afford points deep enough to imp ea, but if i could i would still honestly.... 2v2 trying to rush down a resto sham is a ***** and a half... stripping them down to moonkin armor would make my day even if onyl for 10 seconds
i expect s3 legs and ring in all honesty
i dont grind badges with enough enthusiasm to get the cloak because i know theres other badge pieces i want as well
as for riposte, yes.... still worth it, more then ever
no skill rushdown on a ms warrior is worth 6 talents, even fi only 1v1 lol
and it was in a duel, and i was like... wow im ****** impressed lol
granted i vanished the **** out of it but the point remains
my build cant afford points deep enough to imp ea, but if i could i would still honestly.... 2v2 trying to rush down a resto sham is a ***** and a half... stripping them down to moonkin armor would make my day even if onyl for 10 seconds
i expect s3 legs and ring in all honesty
i dont grind badges with enough enthusiasm to get the cloak because i know theres other badge pieces i want as well
as for riposte, yes.... still worth it, more then ever
no skill rushdown on a ms warrior is worth 6 talents, even fi only 1v1 lol
Here's the thing - the dynamic of rogues have changed a lot with prep becoming a staple of any pvp build. As result, rogue get 2 Evasion. As a result, very few melee class even bother attacking us anymore. Which means Riposte lights up maybe once or twice in the course of 30+ game.
Those 6 points are damn near useless.
Resto Shaman are actually somewhat squishy if EarthShield stays purged of them. EA doesn't do much if ES is still up.
Yea, that is if you can equip for that Tyrandor. That's a rather impressive amount of gear to get you know. If you ended up becoming that geared, I would expect you to eventually end up replacing EA.
Armor Penetration is definitely the new attack power though.
I'm 19 badges away from the cloak and since I'm 2k level player in both 2v2 and 3v3, I expect to get that level of gear somewhere in the mid-season.
And I'll be fighting people with that level of gear as well.
Edited, Nov 19th 2007 4:40pm by Tyrandor
Those 6 points are damn near useless.
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2v2 trying to rush down a resto sham is a ***** and a half... stripping them down to moonkin armor would make my day even if onyl for 10 seconds
Resto Shaman are actually somewhat squishy if EarthShield stays purged of them. EA doesn't do much if ES is still up.
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Yea, that is if you can equip for that Tyrandor. That's a rather impressive amount of gear to get you know. If you ended up becoming that geared, I would expect you to eventually end up replacing EA.
Armor Penetration is definitely the new attack power though.
I'm 19 badges away from the cloak and since I'm 2k level player in both 2v2 and 3v3, I expect to get that level of gear somewhere in the mid-season.
And I'll be fighting people with that level of gear as well.
Edited, Nov 19th 2007 4:40pm by Tyrandor
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Resto Shaman are actually somewhat squishy if EarthShield stays purged of them. EA doesn't do much if ES is still up.
ya, no purge on my team :(
So, back to original topic (Mongoose vs Executioner),what's the verdict, and do we have any math to back it up?
I am currently using MH Executioner & OH Mongoose, but I can't really tell the difference where I also changed my spec to 11/27/23. Our raid setup always different so my dps can range from 700-1000, but judging on overall raid performance, executioner seem like working quite well with Serrated Blades and some armor pern. gears.
Will try out again for upcoming raid and post some results, but may vary since my executioner is on mace where mongoose is on fist (same dps & almost same stats).
Will try out again for upcoming raid and post some results, but may vary since my executioner is on mace where mongoose is on fist (same dps & almost same stats).
raid mode, mix the 2 for sure
pvp? if your gonna stack armor ignore... get executioner
maces might want the haste proc, go mongoose if you like
shadowstep prob goes mongoose if your agi based sin calling mode, that makes that 120 count for 138 instead
its all preference... i see pvp wise non maces going exe... and hemo going exe
pvp? if your gonna stack armor ignore... get executioner
maces might want the haste proc, go mongoose if you like
shadowstep prob goes mongoose if your agi based sin calling mode, that makes that 120 count for 138 instead
its all preference... i see pvp wise non maces going exe... and hemo going exe
Well the numbers on executioner are pretty good.
Cloth its like 5% more damage, mail like 3%, plate like 2%. And the more armor ignore the greater the impact since the lower the AC value the greater each point of armor is.
You gotta have it on one hand. Mongoose wont do that much damage. Since it doesnt double proc like mongoose does (when dual wielded) its a question of guaranteed executioner proc, which could potentially be wasted, vs mongoose/executioner mix. mongoose good damage on its own, and does even more damage when executioner is up as well.
Personally im mixing it.
Edited, Nov 20th 2007 7:45am by KTurner
Cloth its like 5% more damage, mail like 3%, plate like 2%. And the more armor ignore the greater the impact since the lower the AC value the greater each point of armor is.
You gotta have it on one hand. Mongoose wont do that much damage. Since it doesnt double proc like mongoose does (when dual wielded) its a question of guaranteed executioner proc, which could potentially be wasted, vs mongoose/executioner mix. mongoose good damage on its own, and does even more damage when executioner is up as well.
Personally im mixing it.
Edited, Nov 20th 2007 7:45am by KTurner
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