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#1 Nov 18 2007 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
I am lvling my warrior with the intention of being dps warrior in raids, so i was wondering if any of u dps warriors ever need to ditch threat necause of ure dps and if u do what do u do? I mean i think there are some potions from sporregar and the trinket from Keepers of time but other than that i see no great way to ditch threat.
#2 Nov 18 2007 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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warriors have no threat dumps like hunters or rogues do. those trinkets you mentioned dump something to the effect of 1k threat everytime their cd is up... a pittance, at best, and definitely not worth equipping over something that will give you more DPS. but to answer your question, yes, sometimes you do just have to lay off DPSing at some point, or at the very least only autoattack while the tank builds up enough of a threat lead.

with the change to imp zerker stance, we finally have 10% threat reduction that we can talent for. other than that, try to get a pally or shaman in your group for their threat reduction abilities (blessing of salvation ftw).
#3 Nov 18 2007 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Battle Stance and Berzerker Stance = 80% threat
Defensive stance 110% threat, 130% if specced, IIRC.

Coupled with improved zerker stance the total threat generation is 70% of your damage output. Unless its multiplicative, not sure.
#4 Nov 18 2007 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
greenroom wrote:
Battle Stance and Berzerker Stance = 80% threat
Defensive stance 110% threat, 130% if specced, IIRC.

Coupled with improved zerker stance the total threat generation is 70% of your damage output. Unless its multiplicative, not sure.


130% base, 149.5% talented (multiplicative).
#5 Nov 18 2007 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, there we go, ty RPZip.
#6 Nov 19 2007 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I think protection warriors got a nice boost to their threat generation with last patch so the threat wall moves a bit futher.....

I havent tested it yet as I was forced to be a tank this week but earlier I had to stop attacking a lot of times due to too much aggro. I did catch up with druid tanks and warrior tanks on many ocasions. The one time I was with palla tank he was "uber" at aggro generation. No way to overaggro him for any class.... The prblem was he was dyeing too easily when some boss hit him a bit stronget....


#7 Nov 19 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I don't know how threat gen was before the patch in raid as I DPSed before the patch due to gear. Now, though, I'm OTing for a pally in Kara and I've found that, for some reason, I can always out-aggro him if I try.

For instance, Moroes: He and I were just on him, with him MTing. About half-way through the fight I had more threat on Moroes than he did, and by the end of it I had a sizeable lead.

On Curator I had to seriously hold back, as by the time the first evocation came I was at 90%. I happened to get a 3k shield slam in during the evocation and jumped right to 108% and scared the crap out of myself.

So on that front I have no idea what's up. :/

However, with DPSing... you'll just have to keep an eye on your threat metre to make sure you don't go above 110% (or 100% in some fights), which may entail you not attacking for a moment unfortunately.
#8 Nov 19 2007 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Your SSing curator? Don't tell me your guild uses a hateful bolt tank.
#9 Nov 19 2007 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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Hellllllooooooooo wrote:
I am lvling my warrior with the intention of being dps warrior in raids, so i was wondering if any of u dps warriors ever need to ditch threat necause of ure dps and if u do what do u do? I mean i think there are some potions from sporregar and the trinket from Keepers of time but other than that i see no great way to ditch threat.


There's also the trinket from Vashj, but yes, we are still rather threat capped if your tank is... pathetic.

I've found that the combination of Blessing of Salvation, Improved Berserker Stance, Prism of Inner Focus and Berserker Stance's natural threat reduction are generally enough to keep my threat down enough to allow for freedom to DPS. On a single target, though. We don't have a prot pally, so our tanks suck at multi-mob threat generation, and the sweeping strikes + whirlwind combo will get me killed very often on trash.
#10 Nov 19 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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hateful bolt tank strat CAN work. When I wasn't raid leading, my guild INSISTED that someone do it. But honestly, after months of kara, you just put on some more PVP gear, and go to town on the adds, spare some dps for the boss when you can, and when he evocates, just wreck him. That's one of those fights where deathwish is sorely missed. I think they should give us imp recklessness, like a 3/3 talent, that gives -5 minutes a talent point to cooldown, and a duration increase of 3 seconds per talent point. And replace blood craze with it.

ya.
#11 Nov 19 2007 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Fetish of the Sand Reaver

This one actually works. GL getting a group to farm one for you!
#12 Nov 19 2007 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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We already have imp diciplines to reduce cooldown. Though that talent is full of fail as well.
#13 Nov 19 2007 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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We had me tanking the bolts 'cause there really isn't a whole lot I can do with my level of gear and spec. My DPS on the balls would have been subpar at best, and so I was more useful tanking the bolts.
#14 Nov 19 2007 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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you don't need more than one MT type build for kara... fury OT is much more useful.
#15 Nov 19 2007 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, I'm prot 'cause I want to tank and the same goes for the pally. I know it's not ideal, but it works for us and we cleared all of Kara (even 1-shot prince), so it doesn't bother me too much.

Edit: I should clarify that a bit. Basically, the whole reason I play my warrior in Kara is to tank, which is why I'm prot-specced - If I didn't do a fair amount of tanking I prob'ly wouldn't be raiding much anymore. I'm looking at being the MT soon enough, but just plain don't have the gear to do it. I don't really want to go fury, 'cause if I want to do DPS I can just get on my rogue, and I was doing that enough that I'm pretty well bored of it.

Also, being prot helps in ZA so that we have a second tank... though it showed just how much I need more HP. :P

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 5:09am by Taeraq
#16 Nov 19 2007 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
As long as you have 1 paladin in the group to give you salvation, you should be good to go. I go as DPS all the time for all raids I go on, and in Heroics too. If there is a Paly or two, great! If not...I just have to hold back a little bit in the beginning so the tank can get some threat established.

When you get to Aran, threat isn't an issue as its random aggro. I'm usually numero uno in threat, and DPS on that fight. I hate running any instance, heroic or normal, without a paladin because if I don't have salv....I constantly pull, or have to just sit and watch the fight.

If I were you, I wouldn't get any threat reduction items, unless you really want to. Just hope for a salvation buff from a paladin.
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