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#1 Nov 18 2007 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
i saw a video of a mage that could do 5k dmg. it looked like he either all frost or frost/arcane. i was wondering if some of you could help me reach this dmg lvl. the char in the video that i saw was using some sort of frost projectile that could reach the 5k dmg. i have just recently made a mage char and thought that it would be good to ask now before i reach a high lvl so this way i can work up to it. thanks for the help.
#2 Nov 18 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
He was probably deep enough into arcane to get AP, had a ton of +spell damage and wound up a Frost Bolt and got a crit. Now, I'm not an expert on these things so don't flame me if I'm wrong but that's how I'd do it. If it's even possible, that is.
#3 Nov 18 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
flasks + good gear + trinket + AP + wrath of air totem + curse of elements + other buffs = at least a 5k hit. It depends on the fight, etc, was it PvP or a boss fight? Some bosses take increased damage from spells... just a few nights ago I had a 9k fireball on a boglord in SSC. my all time best was a 11-12k fireball on the first major boss in heroic mech.
#4 Nov 18 2007 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
it seemed like it was pvp.

Edited, Nov 19th 2007 2:56am by dxrules
#5 Nov 19 2007 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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probably POM, AP, Trinket+Pyro it can hit for 4k at least.

PvE bosses scorched up, CoE up, Flasked up. 5k crits are pretty common. Molten fury up makes it even worse :)
#6 Nov 19 2007 at 12:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think we should institute a new rule. If you want to know how somebody did something in a video, link the the video.

Just sayin'.
#7 Nov 19 2007 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
heres the link. also what do these abbreviations mean POM, AP.
here
#8 Nov 19 2007 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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He has his macros for the spells right in the video....just hit pause I think you can figure it out.
#9 Nov 19 2007 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent
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So here's the macro he's using(just to elaborate a bit)

/cast Presence of Mind
/script SpellStopCasting()
/cast Arcane Power
/script SpellStopCasting()
/script UseInventoryItem(13)
/script SpellStopCasting()
/script UseInventoryItem(14)
/cast Frostbolt(Rank 10)

So look's like he's just using two items, casting arcane power then and throwing off an instant frostbolt....

My question is to you mage is bigger numbers possible with points into arcane/fire rather then frost?
#10 Nov 19 2007 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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That video is kinda old, pre-TBC even(October 2006). Not sure if that was before or after they removed the ability to use the ZHC and ToEP concurrently, but if it was before, then that would likely explain it(his macro seems to suggest that it was before the change).

I could be wrong, but his helm was a BWL item(Mish'undare, I think), which means his gear was likely rather good for the time period. I'd imagine a mage specced for it could do much more than that nowadays(I know I've heard of 7k+ pyro crits).
#11 Nov 19 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
I'm still searching for the vid right now.. but the highest I've seen.. and the highest I've heard about is a AP/PoM/Pyro with the usual buffs/trinks that crit for just over 13k. I belive it was 2nd boss in mech.. and i belive that mage had no buisness being somewhere that low.
#12 Nov 19 2007 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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I hit just under 10k last night against netherspite (9846), PoM, Adepts Elixir, Elixir of Draenic Wisdom, Poached Bluefish buff, and 12 ticks from the blue beam, crit him nice.

On average with just normal grinding buffs I crit around 3500 (not using PoM).

It helps having almost 1k spl damage with only AI on.

Avg on a normal boss (not have the Netherspite buff) is around 4300 if I pop PoM, and closer to 5k if I use my Scryers Bloodgem which I replaced last night with a kara epic.

Edited, Nov 19th 2007 3:05pm by compgenius
Edit : wrong boss

Edited, Nov 19th 2007 3:06pm by compgenius
#13 Nov 19 2007 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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DarkHybridX wrote:
I'm still searching for the vid right now.. but the highest I've seen.. and the highest I've heard about is a AP/PoM/Pyro with the usual buffs/trinks that crit for just over 13k. I belive it was 2nd boss in mech.. and i belive that mage had no buisness being somewhere that low.


that boss does a polarity shift in Heroic mode. By stacking the charge from same poles you get to deal massive damage. My fireballs were hitting for 6k and critting for 9k. His 20% last for a while too and molten fury just makes it worse. In any case, its not a true measurement of power since the buff skew the results.

same thing for Curator, when he evocates he receives 300% damage. A friend fired off SW:Death and instantly killed himself from a crit.
#14 Nov 19 2007 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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cancerous wrote:
A friend fired off SW:Death and instantly killed himself from a crit.


That's always hilarious. Smiley: laugh
#15 Nov 19 2007 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
cancerous wrote:
DarkHybridX wrote:
I'm still searching for the vid right now.. but the highest I've seen.. and the highest I've heard about is a AP/PoM/Pyro with the usual buffs/trinks that crit for just over 13k. I belive it was 2nd boss in mech.. and i belive that mage had no buisness being somewhere that low.


that boss does a polarity shift in Heroic mode. By stacking the charge from same poles you get to deal massive damage. My fireballs were hitting for 6k and critting for 9k. His 20% last for a while too and molten fury just makes it worse. In any case, its not a true measurement of power since the buff skew the results.

same thing for Curator, when he evocates he receives 300% damage. A friend fired off SW:Death and instantly killed himself from a crit.



oh wait til you get some more gear and start stacking 3 or more people, I hit for over 20k, I need to go back to get a screenshot next time.
#16 Nov 19 2007 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
cancerous wrote:
A friend fired off SW:Death and instantly killed himself from a crit.


That's always hilarious. Smiley: laugh


We had a good laugh when he related the incident to me. Plus the crazy teasing that takes place on Gchat when you do this kind of ****.

We stopped mentioning how a pally DIed our tank at Maiden during Kara 2 weeks back.

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oh wait til you get some more gear and start stacking 3 or more people, I hit for over 20k, I need to go back to get a screenshot next time.


I really do not dare unless I am using the same pole as the tank or the aggro is just too much to bear.
#17 Nov 20 2007 at 12:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Notice that in the video the Mage had the bezerking buff the whole time too. At one point he also had BoK and a flask active. The one crit shown where he didn't have the bezerking buff hit for about 3k too.



Edited, Nov 20th 2007 3:46am by Flubgaurd
#18 Nov 20 2007 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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As 40/21/0 it's actually easy to get crits for more than 5-6k.
I have taken a pic with me criting an Arcane Protector in kara for exactly 8272 dmg.
also two days ago in curator i crited on an evocation for 20700 but didn't take a pic since you will see many crits like that on these bosses.
as for pvp my highest is ~6900 with pom pyro ofc.

as for the mage on the video..i don't think he could do a crit like that without the berserker buff from bg's.
#19 Nov 27 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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As a deep arcane/fire mage I hit 8000s a lot especially when raid buffed.
One of funnest was hit ap, full cast pyro on attuman for 8670, backed with instant pom pyro for 8245. Got his attention a little too fast. If only the shaman woulda been in my group on that one for the totem=(
Only have one picture up right now but there is a screenshot of me with 8435 i think it was on the bear boss in ZA. Its posted on myspace.com/toxicity75.
I am specced 44/17. +1097 fire/arcane with AI only. Raid buff in the 1250 range with 114 hit rate and around 30% crit. But that crit actually runs much higher with the clearcast crit bonus and spell specific bonuses.




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#20 Nov 27 2007 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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same thing for Curator, when he evocates he receives 300% damage. A friend fired off SW:Death and instantly killed himself from a crit.

Celebratory Nietherspite-death SWD'ing is fun with a full 50 stacks. I've hit myself for just over 34000 on a crit.
#21 Nov 29 2007 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
The highest physically possible POM pyro crit, selfbuffed, is above 10k but I dont recommend you to specc for this. POMpyro is a dead build in PvP these days (resilience) but even when it worked, it was a cooldown build with an iwin button which are never fun to play.

If you want PvP fun, specc deep frost.
#22 Nov 30 2007 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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If you want PvP fun, specc deep frost.


I actually had the most fun PvPing with a deep arcane build (50/11/0) and used empowered arcane missiles as my main nuke. ;-) Slow is really nice in PvP as well. Additionally, you have improved counterspell and once every 3 minutes, POM Pyro. I actually found that I only used POM Pyro as an 'execute' button. With this I was the most successful in BGs. I don't arena too much though, so I cannot comment on how deep arcane does there. My only thought is that in arena you tend to see more resilience and mages tend to get focus-fired after the healer goes away.
#23 Dec 01 2007 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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At around 1200 Spell damage buffed with Misery, Shammy totems and Curse of elements and also Shaffer's Nexus Horn and the Icon of the Silver Crescent both activated and a Chaotic Skyfire Diamond (Spellstrike 2 piece bonus proc would probably work too, but is a little more luck based) I've crit for about 6k with Frostbolt as Deep Frost. That's a lot of things going right though heh (I actually had a moonkin in that party too). Sorry no screenies, but Arcane/Frost crits would be a touch higher and Arcane/Fire Pyro crits even higher anyway.

I rarely have this much going for me at one time however, it's more likely that I won't have Curse of the Elements and I generally don't use Shaffer's Nexus Horn anymore (unless I'm grouped with a Moonkin), so numbers will usually be more like 4.5k on higher end crits.

If I had to wager a guess, in that video you probably had a mage that was Arcane/Frost and had the benefit of Curse of Elements or maybe Berserking if it was in PvP. It also could have been Arcane Power. You don't really NEED any of those to hit 5k, but it will certainly normalize the damage numbers to that range. Of course if it was PvP, the opponent probably didnt have much resilience, unless it was in fact one of those situations where the mage had everything going for him.
#24 Dec 04 2007 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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first off, that video was made BEFORE burning crusade. the guy is level 60, mostly in BWL gear (mantle of the blackwing cabal, ringo's blizzard boots, t2 gloves, mish'undare from what i can tell). he had a pom/frost build (21/0/30).
then it was actually something to get a 5k crit. at 70 in decent gear and with the right spec, it's not really a big achievement.
also, resilience was not in the game at the time this video was made. hp numbers were much lower (hence the many one-hits).
important: stacking two burst damage trinkets at the same time is no longer possible, so the macro is largely useless.

secondly, quoting your largest crits says little about your overall damage output, especially against mobs with damage debuffs or vulnerabilities (like bog striders in SSC, first mecha boss, curator, magtheridon while banished, even the drakonids in BWL). in this vid it's pvp which would mean little to no pots, buffs, debuffs.
in a raid setting with a fire spec and around 1k spd, you do 7k+ crits including ignite if the target is below 20%.

thirdly, buffs that reduce cast-time (like pom) or increase crit chance (like moonkin aura) will NOT make your crits bigger. just faster or more of them. it will obviously increase your dps, though. don't mix up the maths. he frosts his targets to increase his crit chance, NOT his damage.

getting your biggest ever crits, pulling aggro and dieing or causing a wipe doesn't make you a good mage, because once dead, you do zero damage.
#25 Dec 04 2007 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
I just recently specced arcane frost, like 48/0/13, frost maily to get the bonus crit to frost. My normal frostbolt hit for like 1600, but i could easily crit for over 4k, with arcane power up, my best crit against a normal opponent (no spell dmg buffs or potions) was 5400. Not really that hard, just get 1k base spell dmg, the arcane talent points do the rest. When I would get a clearcast proc with AP up, my arcane missles would normally crit for right at 1800/volley, so many times it led to 9k dmg for the full volley AM FTW
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