Ok, i posted this on the alliance boards... but i dont think anyone really ever checks those.....
Ok, so the battlegroup that im in, Horde owns EVERY single BG possible... and when i say own... i really mean own. we are lucky to get 1300 points in EotS or if we capture the flag ONE time in WSG i consider it lucky.... and this is EVERY single BG. AV is the only one we stand a chance in, and since 2.3 we havent even come close.
Ok so i guess my question is this.... Is it like this on every battlegroup? I want to find a batelgroup that alliance is somewhat competitive in....
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Which battlegroup is this?
I've been wanting to re-roll a horde Rogue for a while now...
I've been wanting to re-roll a horde Rogue for a while now...
Horde has always done better in BGs with the exception of AV. Even Blizzard has stated this (at the same time they admitted to the Allies winning about 80% of AVs before the change a couple patches back).
I'm in ruin battleground and its pretty much the same thing. I refuse to no guild que. Even a pug is better.
And in 2.3 horde is wrecking us in AV now
And in 2.3 horde is wrecking us in AV now
I'm in cyclone these days, and I have to say its damn near 50/50. True rapages are rare.
I'm on Bloodlust, and I'd have to say that it's pretty 50/50. In the lower levels we tend to dominate, but alliance is fairly strong in the upper brackets.
It's really a toss-up, and it just depends on the composition of the servers in the battlegroup. =)
It's really a toss-up, and it just depends on the composition of the servers in the battlegroup. =)
My Orc seems to be in the wrong place...
In my European battlegroup, Allies win around 80% at least of AB/EotS/WSG. Total wipes are common.
Before 2.3, Horde were doing 50-60% in AV, but after the patch this dropped to around 10% so far.
Ofcourse I'm counting only the BG's I'm involved in, maybe my presence is this the problem. :)
In my European battlegroup, Allies win around 80% at least of AB/EotS/WSG. Total wipes are common.
Before 2.3, Horde were doing 50-60% in AV, but after the patch this dropped to around 10% so far.
Ofcourse I'm counting only the BG's I'm involved in, maybe my presence is this the problem. :)
Nightfall's a joke. Horde dominate the battleground to the point where I feel sorry for them. >75% win in WSG/EoTS/AB, and it's about 60% in AV.
in frosmourne. we sometimes loose av. but only because of the reinforcement thingie. it's irritating to fight all the way and get stormpike gy. then have the allied win because they camp across the bridge. seems to be the allied strategy nowadays.
Can someone please explain to me why Alliance always win AV? in Stormstrike, Alliance guys always lose becuase the Horde does exploit pulls on Vanndar Stormpike.
Oh, and horde loses 60-75% of the time for everything else in my battlegroup.
Oh, and horde loses 60-75% of the time for everything else in my battlegroup.
Alliance generally wins AV in my battlegroup too, for several possible reasons:
There is a chokepoint bridge which Horde MUST cross, which is easily defendable for Alliance.
The Horde base has no such chokepoint, and furthermore, the base's walls are angled low enough that Alliance can use mounds of snow as ramps for their mounts to jump over the palisade. Therefore, the terrain of AV is in favor of Alliance.
On almost all servers, there are more Alliance than Horde. Alliance will be filled out at full 40 whereas sometimes my Horde games generally stick at 33-37 people on my side.
I play Reckoning.
Anyway, I see that generally, 10-19, and 20-29 is absolutely dominated by Alliance, who has more twinks than Horde (who still has plenty of twinkage). Horde wins a good amount more in the mid levels, and higher up, except for AV. EotS I have not done for a while, but when I played before, I haven't seen Alliance win a single game of it.
There is a chokepoint bridge which Horde MUST cross, which is easily defendable for Alliance.
The Horde base has no such chokepoint, and furthermore, the base's walls are angled low enough that Alliance can use mounds of snow as ramps for their mounts to jump over the palisade. Therefore, the terrain of AV is in favor of Alliance.
On almost all servers, there are more Alliance than Horde. Alliance will be filled out at full 40 whereas sometimes my Horde games generally stick at 33-37 people on my side.
I play Reckoning.
Anyway, I see that generally, 10-19, and 20-29 is absolutely dominated by Alliance, who has more twinks than Horde (who still has plenty of twinkage). Horde wins a good amount more in the mid levels, and higher up, except for AV. EotS I have not done for a while, but when I played before, I haven't seen Alliance win a single game of it.
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As a member of the Rampage battle group, I can say this isn't... ENTIRELY true... Since the changing of AV, we've been winning a fair number of them (I contribute this to the HUGE advantage we've been givin, by having our "Cave Defenders" Severly reduced in number.) But we do still win some... but, let me just say, that Illidan is in that battle group, and we have some of the best guilds on the planet, but don't come here, we're full... serious, don't bother, its packed to the gills
In he Whirlwind Battlegroup horde wins all BG's 90% of the time. I think I'm going to switch to a different battlegroup. This is ridiculous.
Alliance chokepoint is at SPGY, Horde Chokepoint is at Icewolf, Horde rarely tries to defend Icewolf to slow down the Alliance advance and ends up losing cause of the really quick caps that follows. The Horde can actually pretty easily defend their General if they don't let their towers get raped.
On vengeance with my NE Rogue and I'd say it's about 50/50.
Alliance on a European server (Cho'Gall).
Pre 2.3:
- we'd lose about 80% of all BGs...
- expect AV where we'd win like 90% of them.
I always said that the ground must've been favoring us, else how to explain that?
Post 2.3:
- all BGs expect AV aren't quite as bad since it seems that some of the good horde players moved to AV but we still loose more than we win... maybe we loose 70 or 60 %?
- AV: has become a total massacre: I'd say we loose 80% of them, at the best.
My explanation: I assume that some of the good hord players which were avoiding AV are now back. And the new AV system requires better understanding of the BG and better coordination.
I can only HOPE that the alliance will (after a couple of weeks) understand the changes and adjust. As is it now, it is close to uplayable on the alliance side. I'm just REALLY happy to have my 75k on the side already and I don't expect to play any more AV unless the situation changes.
nostra
Pre 2.3:
- we'd lose about 80% of all BGs...
- expect AV where we'd win like 90% of them.
I always said that the ground must've been favoring us, else how to explain that?
Post 2.3:
- all BGs expect AV aren't quite as bad since it seems that some of the good horde players moved to AV but we still loose more than we win... maybe we loose 70 or 60 %?
- AV: has become a total massacre: I'd say we loose 80% of them, at the best.
My explanation: I assume that some of the good hord players which were avoiding AV are now back. And the new AV system requires better understanding of the BG and better coordination.
I can only HOPE that the alliance will (after a couple of weeks) understand the changes and adjust. As is it now, it is close to uplayable on the alliance side. I'm just REALLY happy to have my 75k on the side already and I don't expect to play any more AV unless the situation changes.
nostra
ive only played maybe 5 or 6 AVs since patch, but weve only won one out of those games.
Pug vs Pug, horde dominates in AB, WSG and EotS. Now they are dominating AV as well.
Stormstrike.
Pug vs Pug, horde dominates in AB, WSG and EotS. Now they are dominating AV as well.
Stormstrike.
Raglu wrote:
There is a chokepoint bridge which Horde MUST cross, which is easily defendable for Alliance.
The counter argument to this is that once the Horde get over the bridge it is really easy for Horde to defend.
Raglu wrote:
The Horde base has no such chokepoint
Actually this isn't so true. The narrow path between the gates by the horde towers and that tower that does nothing is a choke point too. It just isn't any where near as effective as the bridge.
Raglu wrote:
the base's walls are angled low enough that Alliance can use mounds of snow as ramps for their mounts to jump over the palisade.
Actually, whilst the other two points you made are true the alliance don't even need to use the mounds of snow. From FW GY the alliance literally just have to run through Frost Wolf village. There is a path you can take that stops you from aggroing any of the NPCs (apart from the two trash gaurds and a patrol).
The only people I have ever seen using the Mound of snow to jump over the walls has been the horde that Rez from the horde entrance.
And that is probably one of the biggest flaws. The run from the horde entrance to the frostwolf relief hut seems a lot longer than the one from the alliance entrance to the alliance aid station.
Then again... there is a longer run between the Frostwolf Relief Hut and the capture point than there is from the Stormpike aid station and the capture point. So it is far far easier to defend the Stormpike aid station whether you are Alliance or Horde.
prikker, ill trade you servers k?
horde dominate us.
the pvp dailies here are horde dailies.
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