So today after countless runs of SV, I finally see Beast Lord Mantle drop only to lose it to a shammy...
I'll give him that yeah it has ok stats for a shammy but a shaman should NEVER have priority over a hunter if the armour has a bonus that reduces trap CD.
So yeah, Blizz please read this and come to your senses.
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Beast Lord set should be hunter onlyFollow
Just start needing Spelldamage/Spellcrit mail when there are Shamans in the group. They might learn the error of their ways when they realize we can play the same game.
If I was going to need on everything I could have used, I'd probably have Malchazeen and Spiteblade before Rogues/Warriors would get their hands on them. Either way, that Shaman broke the unwritten rules for looting. The class that benefits the most from it gets it.
Anyway, Blizzard doesn't read these forums you twit.
If I was going to need on everything I could have used, I'd probably have Malchazeen and Spiteblade before Rogues/Warriors would get their hands on them. Either way, that Shaman broke the unwritten rules for looting. The class that benefits the most from it gets it.
Anyway, Blizzard doesn't read these forums you twit.
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Blizzard doesn't read these forums you twit.
Actually...they do occasionally. Just as Square Enix reads the Final Fantasy section.
They are always hunting for good ideas to keep the game fresh.
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Actually...they do occasionally. Just as Square Enix reads the Final Fantasy section.
They are always hunting for good ideas to keep the game fresh.
They are always hunting for good ideas to keep the game fresh.
Source?
Just saying, I'd love to have that backed up somehow; part of me thinks that realistically they must read here, but another part of me says it is just Alla-pride coming through.
I'd say it's Alla pride, yeah. Don't you think their own Feedback forums are overflooded enough? I highly doubt they'd add the classforums of Allakhazam on the duty list of their CMs. Hell, they barely keep an eye on their own forums unless the thread hits fifteen pages in less than a day.
Then you'll have to do the same thing with all the other T3.5 sets.
And I personally happen to like my Incanter's gloves on my lock. There was no mage in the group, and they were perfect upgrades at the time.
And I personally happen to like my Incanter's gloves on my lock. There was no mage in the group, and they were perfect upgrades at the time.
This is a dead horse topic in the general forums here. Unfortunately, there are just too many players (even seasoned veterans) that just don't give a **** if someone can make better use of it than they can. If it's got a basic stat upgrade, as far as they're concerned it's fair game for a Need roll. I think it's pretty ****** sportsmanship and selfish nonsense, but there's nothing that can be done about it. Best case scenario is explain your situation to the party leader before you enter the instance and have him set ML, but even that usually turns into a snivel fest.
I know for a fact that when I used to play EQ, even when EQ was well populated, devs tended to visit various class boards, so I don't see why WoW people wouldn't do the same.
Besides if I was a dev, I'd rather read TKA/Alla than troll fest that is main wow forums.
Edited, Nov 17th 2007 4:33pm by Elustriel
Besides if I was a dev, I'd rather read TKA/Alla than troll fest that is main wow forums.
Edited, Nov 17th 2007 4:33pm by Elustriel
EQ was never as huge as WoW, and it never had the feedback system of WoW. Blizzard's employees can barely handle their own forums. Why on earth add to the workload?
If any CM reads this, it is merely because he/she is researching something or other for his/her own need.
If any CM reads this, it is merely because he/she is researching something or other for his/her own need.
That is such bs, dungeon sets even though they are dungeon sets are sacred to the class that it is intended for, now maybe not so much with deso gear but still that shaman deserves to never get gear again.
Okay. If Beast Lord is made hunter-only, there are a few little things to consider:
1. It is one of the "Dungeon 3" sets. So ALL dungeon 3 sets would be made class-specific. That's not something they ever did with the original dungeon sets.
2. The loot tables are not intellegent enough detect whether or not a certain class is in a party, so if BeastLord drops, and there are no hunters, no one would be able to loot it. Chances are, it probably wouldn't even be SHOWN to non-hunters, so there could be the illusion of nothing dropping off of a boss.
3. In most cases, gear that no one needs will be Disenchanted and the party will roll on the shard. If no one can pick it up, or if the hunter who gets it can't shard it, no one gets the chance to win the 20g Large Prismatic Shard.
4. But what if everyone can see it and pick it up, but only hunters can EQUIP it? Trust me, other people will still roll on it, and then you'll be REALLY pissed off at the guy who won it, but can't even use it. Some people are spiteful, and most people are stupid.
5. There are Alternate Dungeon 3 sets that do not give class-specific set-bonuses. These include Desolation (Hunter/Shaman), Wastewalker (Rogue/Feral Druid), Doomplate (Ret Pally/Fury Warrior), and Mana-Etched (Priest/Mage/Warlock). Those would not be able to be made into class-specific sets.
So really, the only person you have to blame for losing your piece is yourself for not discussing it before it dropped. If you want to eliminate the chance of something getting swiped from under you, join a good guild. Don't do PuGs.
And I highly HIGHLY doubt that Blizzard reads any of these forums. If they aren't too busy with their own forums, they're looking up sites like TKA-something or Elitist Jerks.
1. It is one of the "Dungeon 3" sets. So ALL dungeon 3 sets would be made class-specific. That's not something they ever did with the original dungeon sets.
2. The loot tables are not intellegent enough detect whether or not a certain class is in a party, so if BeastLord drops, and there are no hunters, no one would be able to loot it. Chances are, it probably wouldn't even be SHOWN to non-hunters, so there could be the illusion of nothing dropping off of a boss.
3. In most cases, gear that no one needs will be Disenchanted and the party will roll on the shard. If no one can pick it up, or if the hunter who gets it can't shard it, no one gets the chance to win the 20g Large Prismatic Shard.
4. But what if everyone can see it and pick it up, but only hunters can EQUIP it? Trust me, other people will still roll on it, and then you'll be REALLY pissed off at the guy who won it, but can't even use it. Some people are spiteful, and most people are stupid.
5. There are Alternate Dungeon 3 sets that do not give class-specific set-bonuses. These include Desolation (Hunter/Shaman), Wastewalker (Rogue/Feral Druid), Doomplate (Ret Pally/Fury Warrior), and Mana-Etched (Priest/Mage/Warlock). Those would not be able to be made into class-specific sets.
So really, the only person you have to blame for losing your piece is yourself for not discussing it before it dropped. If you want to eliminate the chance of something getting swiped from under you, join a good guild. Don't do PuGs.
And I highly HIGHLY doubt that Blizzard reads any of these forums. If they aren't too busy with their own forums, they're looking up sites like TKA-something or Elitist Jerks.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
2. The loot tables are not intellegent enough detect whether or not a certain class is in a party, so if BeastLord drops, and there are no hunters, no one would be able to loot it. Chances are, it probably wouldn't even be SHOWN to non-hunters, so there could be the illusion of nothing dropping off of a boss.
But yeah, I dislike need rolls greatly. When I ask at the start of a PUG run "What is the loot protocol? Pass on all BOP and discuss?" and the group leader says "Need if it's an up" that almost guarantees problems. If everyone knows that they are to pass on all BOPs that gives the time for more intelligent decisions. People might decide that an item isn't such an upgrade for them if they've got more than the (what, 1 minute?) drop timer to make that decision in.
Edited, Nov 18th 2007 5:41am by Kompera
Having to spend more than one minute to discuss who should or should not need on a BoP is pointless. I don't have all day in an instance, and if the item is a Hunter upgrade I will need on it. If it is one of those gray area things, like a Shaman wanting something the Hunter could use, then you spend that one minute educating the Shaman about common sense.
You don't have to pass on all BoP, and then set down a commitee. That's just... waste.
You don't have to pass on all BoP, and then set down a commitee. That's just... waste.
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How's that? Remember back when Paly plate never dropped for Horde in the 40-person raids? No issues there for not getting loot because of Paly plate dropping but just not showing.
1) Those instances also had raid IDs, which normal instances... do not.
2) They could differentiate that based on faction. Before TBC came out (early December) when they added the PvP system and 41-point talents Paladin and Shaman gear started dropping for both factions. There's still a few screenshots floating around of Horde guilds killing Kel'thuzad and getting all Paladin gear after 1.12 hit.
It sure as hell wouldn't work if you adjusted your group composition after zoning in, as the loot is set once the instance is spawned.
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Just start needing Spelldamage/Spellcrit mail when there are Shamans in the group. They might learn the error of their ways when they realize we can play the same game.
Yes, because a) an Enhancement Shaman looking for Beast Master's is _totally_ going to care about Elemental gear, so that will show him and good! and b) the Beast Lord set is itemized decently for an Enhancement Shaman, as far as Tier 0 drops go. The set bonuses don't help, but the actual stats are decent (or, at least, as decent as they are for Hunters in the first place) and there aren't really a ton of options regardless.
It's as good as the Towering Mantle of the Hunt, and the only other option is the Desolation Shoulderguards which don't drop in normal-mode instances.
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If it is one of those gray area things, like a Shaman wanting something the Hunter could use, then you spend that one minute educating the Shaman about common sense.
Yes, good Tonto. Other classes don't get loot if a Hunter could use it - no! That would make them bad boys! Very, very bad! And then you have to beat them with a newspaper until they see the error of their ways.
*sigh* Rephrase: Something the Hunter had a better use for than the Shaman. The set is made with Hunters in mind, it's set bonuses are of no use for anyone but Hunters, and it is quite simply common sense that the Hunter has first priority on Hunter set items.
I don't roll on Rogue leather no matter how big an upgrade it is, if a Rogue in the group could use it for an upgrade. It is common curtesy. So no, other classes don't get to loot Beastlord items if a Hunter could have it as an upgrade. Still common bloody sense.
On all non-set items it goes to the highest roll of course, providing the rollers can say "this is an upgrade". Again... common bloody sense! I didn't peg you as a smacktard, Zip. I thought you had the mental faculty needed to read something without taking it too literally. I suppose it was the common sense that threw you.
I don't roll on Rogue leather no matter how big an upgrade it is, if a Rogue in the group could use it for an upgrade. It is common curtesy. So no, other classes don't get to loot Beastlord items if a Hunter could have it as an upgrade. Still common bloody sense.
On all non-set items it goes to the highest roll of course, providing the rollers can say "this is an upgrade". Again... common bloody sense! I didn't peg you as a smacktard, Zip. I thought you had the mental faculty needed to read something without taking it too literally. I suppose it was the common sense that threw you.
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*sigh* Rephrase: Something the Hunter had a better use for than the Shaman. The set is made with Hunters in mind,
If by this you mean the stats are more or less mediocre for either Hunters or Shaman then yes, I'd agree. MP5 ftw!
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it's set bonuses are of no use for anyone but Hunters,
No doubt.
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and it is quite simply common sense that the Hunter has first priority on Hunter set items.
Is it? If it's a good piece for either Hunters or Shaman, do you care? The mage DS3 set is complete *** too, and they more or less merrily roll on the Warlock DS3 simply because they're the best piece(s) available... for both Mages and Warlocks (barring Tailoring gear, of course, but that's a caveat you can apply to pretty much any class looking for the DS3 blues). The Shaman DS3 is Elemental gear - if the Shaman is playing as Enhancement they almost certainly don't care about it as anything more than offspec gear they might someday use. So... the solution is that they never get any blues?
Well, okay then. The set bonuses are mediocre, and the gear is mediocre. Think of it as a favor - now you can get a real upgrade from Botanica.
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I don't roll on Rogue leather no matter how big an upgrade it is, if a Rogue in the group could use it for an upgrade. It is common curtesy.
Yes, because there's no difference at all between "picking up Leather pieces over leather wearers when there are Mail options" and "picking up pieces of armor in your armor tier". Newp, can't see any differences there.
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I didn't peg you as a smacktard, Zip. I thought you had the mental faculty needed to read something without taking it too literally. I suppose it was the common sense that threw you.
Want a cigarette, Tonto? Was it good for you too?
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And currently the loot table is intelligent enough to not show trade patterns if no one in the group can use it.
That's not the loot table being intellegent. Trade patterns still drop, but if no one in the group can use it, it just doesn't show... But since trade patterns are such a low drop rate, and most of them come off of trash mobs, no one misses them.
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