Searching on the Armory for an upgrade to the FSW robe - and I can't see one that I would really consider.
Suggestions, anyone?
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While the FSW is awesome there are a few things to consider. The set bonus is good but not something to lose sleep over. The tier sets offer great set bonuses. In addition the hit rating that you gain from other items is a lot better. There are many things to consider adn depending on spec Tier 5 may be better. I currently wear four pieces of tier 4 and two FSW. I like the four set bonus and the increased hit raiting with the Tier 4.
This is my opinion I understand how hard it is to watch your spell damage take a large hit.
This is my opinion I understand how hard it is to watch your spell damage take a large hit.
From what I know, FSW is ok for Kara, but after that you need to cap Spell Hit(202) or all the Spell Dam in the world won't do you any good. It is also lacking in the +Sta Department, and we all know Sta=HP=Mana.
Must admit, I was considering the Corruptor set. But like you say, watching spell dmg plummet is hard!
Lathais has a point though - +hit has got to be a consideration now I think.
Oh well. Bye bye +dam!
Lathais has a point though - +hit has got to be a consideration now I think.
Oh well. Bye bye +dam!
T4 chest is an upgrade. heck all T4 pieces are upgrades,
firstly due to the set bonuses
2ndly 'cos of the hit and crit (yes, even as afliction crit and hit is needed, crits mean 20% bonus to your dots due to ISB and hit means less points needed in suppression so you can put them into damage/utility increasing talents)
3rd. the increase in stats means you're less likely to die due to aoe and that you need to lifetap/dark pact less during times when you could be reapplying dots or casting SB, so increasing dps and leaving the lifetaping/DPing to whenever you can't cast due to movement phases on bosses.
basically. the "+damage, OOHH, DAMAGE!!! OHHH!!!!! SHADOW DAMAGWE!!!!!" philosophy of wow right now is completely wrong. it is important BUT only after you've reached certain minimums for other stats. 8k hp and mana pre buffs, pre imp being 1 of them. 202 +hit being another and finally, 15% crit (before devestation) as an afliction lock which will push you to the minimum crit rate for making ISB a large increase in your dps and raid dps (as dest 20+% crit rate(before devestation) is needed. to elaborate
you can't dps effectively if you have to lifetap/DP every 10 seconds due to running out of mana. and then drain life/pot/bandage every 10seeconds due to not having enough health.
then there's the crit side. purely solo, with 15% crit (20% including devestation) you're going to crit 'in theory' every 5 shadowbolts, which'll provide a 20% bonus to your dots for the next 12 seconds, which works out as 4 ticks max for each dot, for a max of 4 shadow dots. that 20% damage bonus far outweighs any damage increase from gaining more +damage due to how ISB scales with crit at lower crit rates.
and then there's the +hit. yes you can get 10% hit from talents for afliction. but shadowbolt will STILL be the biggest proportion of your damage as an afliction lock, so increasing your hit will mean less SBs are resisted, which means more damage AND more chance for ISB to proc.
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 1:17pm by Jenovaomega
firstly due to the set bonuses
2ndly 'cos of the hit and crit (yes, even as afliction crit and hit is needed, crits mean 20% bonus to your dots due to ISB and hit means less points needed in suppression so you can put them into damage/utility increasing talents)
3rd. the increase in stats means you're less likely to die due to aoe and that you need to lifetap/dark pact less during times when you could be reapplying dots or casting SB, so increasing dps and leaving the lifetaping/DPing to whenever you can't cast due to movement phases on bosses.
basically. the "+damage, OOHH, DAMAGE!!! OHHH!!!!! SHADOW DAMAGWE!!!!!" philosophy of wow right now is completely wrong. it is important BUT only after you've reached certain minimums for other stats. 8k hp and mana pre buffs, pre imp being 1 of them. 202 +hit being another and finally, 15% crit (before devestation) as an afliction lock which will push you to the minimum crit rate for making ISB a large increase in your dps and raid dps (as dest 20+% crit rate(before devestation) is needed. to elaborate
you can't dps effectively if you have to lifetap/DP every 10 seconds due to running out of mana. and then drain life/pot/bandage every 10seeconds due to not having enough health.
then there's the crit side. purely solo, with 15% crit (20% including devestation) you're going to crit 'in theory' every 5 shadowbolts, which'll provide a 20% bonus to your dots for the next 12 seconds, which works out as 4 ticks max for each dot, for a max of 4 shadow dots. that 20% damage bonus far outweighs any damage increase from gaining more +damage due to how ISB scales with crit at lower crit rates.
and then there's the +hit. yes you can get 10% hit from talents for afliction. but shadowbolt will STILL be the biggest proportion of your damage as an afliction lock, so increasing your hit will mean less SBs are resisted, which means more damage AND more chance for ISB to proc.
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 1:17pm by Jenovaomega
I'd say T4 shoulders are an upgrade, and definitely T5, because of the hit. For robes, the ones off Hydross are decent but probably not a *clear* upgrade (for that you'll need Corruptor's or Sea-Witch). For feet, the ones off Hydross are good, and potentially the Boots of Blasting if you want the crit.
EDIT: I guess you only asked about the robes. Oh well :p
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 12:11pm by lsfreak
EDIT: I guess you only asked about the robes. Oh well :p
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 12:11pm by lsfreak
isfreak... the hydross ones ARE a clear upgrade. 100% certain. and as I've said, even T4 chest is a clear upgrade. PLEASE try to get out of this rediculous 'ZOMGSAFNSDAMN SADFOOOKING GOD DAMAGE!!!!SNSADLKJSDA£" attitude about locks. I see it every day, I've raided with countless numbers of them and they never do any good at all damage ways on bosses because they lack balance. yes they have 200-300 more +shadow than yes, well whoop de do. i have over 10% more crit than most of them, alot more hit than them and i don't have to lifetap/DP when i could be DPSing instead while they're forced to tap far to often.
I raided with someone with about 200 more shadow damage than I had, but he had no +hit while I was at +6%. Not huge, but it turned out that I was the only one in the raid with that much.
Everyone was yelling at me, terrified that I would jump over the tank's threat. I never did, but I was constantly highest threat, highest DPS, all while using no DoTs. CoS, spam shadowbolts.. spam spam spam, slow down when too high on threat, soul shatter at 20k at a minimum. The shadow priest loved me, everyone else thought I was going to wipe us all.
Spell Hit is worth a LOT more than spell damage in a raid, and is still worth it in a 5-man.
Everyone was yelling at me, terrified that I would jump over the tank's threat. I never did, but I was constantly highest threat, highest DPS, all while using no DoTs. CoS, spam shadowbolts.. spam spam spam, slow down when too high on threat, soul shatter at 20k at a minimum. The shadow priest loved me, everyone else thought I was going to wipe us all.
Spell Hit is worth a LOT more than spell damage in a raid, and is still worth it in a 5-man.
indeed, but in 5mans the max you need is 5% hit, which just about anyone can manage
T4 robe is better than FSW, ESPECIALLY if it gets you a set bonus.
Ok, thanks all. The upgrades are there...but they have to be part of a set. That's the message I'm getting.
FSW will do me fine for now, but as soon as I can buy and equip a set, I'm doing it. :o)
FSW will do me fine for now, but as soon as I can buy and equip a set, I'm doing it. :o)
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indeed, but in 5mans the max you need is 5% hit, which just about anyone can manage
That's what I thought too, until 15 consecutive raiders in Kara did not have even +5%. It was only the 16th guy to switch in there that had more than me, and he outstripped my damage as if I wasn't even casting.
T4 and up, theres 2 nice robes in SSC and some amazing robes in Hyjal.
The FSW robes are very nice to carry you into Mag's, and they'll carry you farther into SSC if you're unlucky on T4 tokens. I'd definately try to replace them with T4, or the robes off Hydross or Vashj.
The FSW robes are very nice to carry you into Mag's, and they'll carry you farther into SSC if you're unlucky on T4 tokens. I'd definately try to replace them with T4, or the robes off Hydross or Vashj.
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Jenovaomega wrote:
2ndly 'cos of the hit and crit (yes, even as afliction crit and hit is needed, crits mean 20% bonus to your dots due to ISB
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 1:17pm by Jenovaomega
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 1:17pm by Jenovaomega
ISB only works on DIRECT shadow dmg. Dots don't count. On the other hand, coupled with a shadow priest, they DO like ISB, as they can cast a mind blast, ntm your own shadowbolts or shadowburn. I personally fill my bag with soulshards and spam shadowburn when ISB is up, as its instant and doesn't cut into my rotation, so in a sense, its extra dmg. Usually I'm nearly out of shards after a boss fight, but I fill up on the way to the next boss. Mind you, I only do it on new encounters, where we may or may not down the boss, so dmg is important.
In general I find that once someone bases their post on faulty logic the rest of it kinda crumbles. Shining examples include:
ISB only works on DIRECT shadow dmg. Dots don't count.
You are incorrect. ISB works on ALL shadow damage, the debuff will last through 4 DIRECT shadow attacks.
I personally fill my bag with soulshards and spam shadowburn when ISB is up, as its instant and doesn't cut into my rotation, so in a sense, its extra dmg.
This is also stupid because your GCD would be better spent applied to the casting time of Shadow Bolt. With the exception of DoTs ALL GCD are better applied toward the casting of Shadow Bolt. It's kinda OP.
Mind you, I only do it on new encounters, where we may or may not down the boss, so dmg is important.
If there has every been a fight where your raid has wiped at 1%, I want you to know that it was entirely your fault for spamming Shadowburn.
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ISB only works on DIRECT shadow dmg. Dots don't count.
You are incorrect. ISB works on ALL shadow damage, the debuff will last through 4 DIRECT shadow attacks.
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I personally fill my bag with soulshards and spam shadowburn when ISB is up, as its instant and doesn't cut into my rotation, so in a sense, its extra dmg.
This is also stupid because your GCD would be better spent applied to the casting time of Shadow Bolt. With the exception of DoTs ALL GCD are better applied toward the casting of Shadow Bolt. It's kinda OP.
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Mind you, I only do it on new encounters, where we may or may not down the boss, so dmg is important.
If there has every been a fight where your raid has wiped at 1%, I want you to know that it was entirely your fault for spamming Shadowburn.
as loki said, vrt you are completely wrong about the ISB. this is what it says
"Your shadowbolt critical strikes increase shadow damage dealt to the target by 20% into 4 non-periodic damage sources are applied. effect lasts a maximum of 12 seconds"
in otherwords. it has always affected dots. heck i remember back in the day when dots even removed charges from it. and shadowburn should never be used verse bosses except maybe on the last 1%. it's definately a dps decrease, and a waste of an ISB charge that someone else could of made better use of. the mana cost is to high, the damage is to low and the +damage coefficient sucks. all in all, pointless to use. just like conflagorate.
"Your shadowbolt critical strikes increase shadow damage dealt to the target by 20% into 4 non-periodic damage sources are applied. effect lasts a maximum of 12 seconds"
in otherwords. it has always affected dots. heck i remember back in the day when dots even removed charges from it. and shadowburn should never be used verse bosses except maybe on the last 1%. it's definately a dps decrease, and a waste of an ISB charge that someone else could of made better use of. the mana cost is to high, the damage is to low and the +damage coefficient sucks. all in all, pointless to use. just like conflagorate.
I'm having the same "problems" with gear upgrades.
Last night I got the T5 shoulders, previously I was using the T4 ones.
Now I have the following problem:
I have the T4 head and pants, FSW robe and Boots, and I also have Spellstrike pants.
When using the Spellstrike pants I have 202 hit, and 1018 shadow dmg, and 8520 HP.
When using the T4 pants, I have 197 hit, 1003 shadow dmg and 8750 HP. But here I get the T4 2 set bonus (chance of +135 shadow dmg over the next 15 sec). I also have more crit (not much, 11,83% with spellstrike, 11,99% with T4 pants) using the T4 pants and more mana. Crit isn't a big issue as we normally have 3 locks in the raid, where one is destro.
What do I use?
I have Malediction and 3 points in Shadow Embrace. The diff in hit points is about 0,4% I think. Somehow I feel that the T4 pants will be better in the long run, more mana and HP might be better than the +5 hit points and 15 spell dmg. But not sure.
And if I get the T4 gloves (Magtheridon just won't drop the T4 robe for us), how good is the 4 set bonus of T4 (3 more seconds on Corruption and Immolate)?
Last night I got the T5 shoulders, previously I was using the T4 ones.
Now I have the following problem:
I have the T4 head and pants, FSW robe and Boots, and I also have Spellstrike pants.
When using the Spellstrike pants I have 202 hit, and 1018 shadow dmg, and 8520 HP.
When using the T4 pants, I have 197 hit, 1003 shadow dmg and 8750 HP. But here I get the T4 2 set bonus (chance of +135 shadow dmg over the next 15 sec). I also have more crit (not much, 11,83% with spellstrike, 11,99% with T4 pants) using the T4 pants and more mana. Crit isn't a big issue as we normally have 3 locks in the raid, where one is destro.
What do I use?
I have Malediction and 3 points in Shadow Embrace. The diff in hit points is about 0,4% I think. Somehow I feel that the T4 pants will be better in the long run, more mana and HP might be better than the +5 hit points and 15 spell dmg. But not sure.
And if I get the T4 gloves (Magtheridon just won't drop the T4 robe for us), how good is the 4 set bonus of T4 (3 more seconds on Corruption and Immolate)?
thm, this website will solve your questions. as you can see, the T4 2set bonus is worth around +25 damage, so the change is probably worth it. the overall outcome won't be much of a difference, but it should be an increase
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