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I've got a level 25 Retadin that I've been leveling for a bit now, since I want to do damage. But everyone I've talked to said that all Pallys do in groups is heal. I know ret got buffed in 2.3, but shoud I re-roll to something else if I want to do dps?
if ret pally is what you want to play then play it. i'm prot pally and if they need a healer i dawn some healing gear and heal. i'm only 40 so dont really need healing spec yet. just remember this IT'S YOUR TOON. No one can make you heal if you dont want to will you miss out on group if no dps slots are open? sure. will you be over looked as dps compared to a mage? maybe dont know how rets doing after patch. also depends on how you play yes you can be dps but you can also back up heal or spot heal or off tank. so i mean you have more than just dps going for ya.
Thanks for the input, Im still deciding. But just out of curiosity, since I really like to PvP, are retadins pretty good at it? I realize people will thank me for heals and I'll never really be the top of the damage charts, but am I gonna get owned by everything if I go offensive?
again, thanks for the help guys
again, thanks for the help guys
Not gonna quote the whole post, but be careful with that kind of advice, Punkspider.
The perspective at 40 differs largely from a level 70's perspective. In end-game, you want specialization. It's true that at 40 you don't need to be Holy to heal well, but at 70 you'll have to burn through your whole pool of mana just to keep yourself alive. (Since you cannot switch gear mid-fight) That mana would be best used for more DPS anywau and leave the healing to the healers.
You can carry many sets of gear, but they don't entirely make up for the lack of spec. Even if you get the best Prot gear, without a Prot spec you'll only do so well, and same for Holy.
All in all, I agree with "It's your toon, play it like you want to". However, prepare to face prejudice against Ret Pallies once you get closer to end-game. Yes, you can play like you want to, but people also have the right to not want you in groups over another class that may better fill the role.
My final advice would be to reroll for a more "pure" DPS class. If you dig the whole two-hander, plate-wearing thing go Arms Warrior. Otherwise you might wanna try a Rogue, Hunter, Lock or Mage, etc.
The perspective at 40 differs largely from a level 70's perspective. In end-game, you want specialization. It's true that at 40 you don't need to be Holy to heal well, but at 70 you'll have to burn through your whole pool of mana just to keep yourself alive. (Since you cannot switch gear mid-fight) That mana would be best used for more DPS anywau and leave the healing to the healers.
You can carry many sets of gear, but they don't entirely make up for the lack of spec. Even if you get the best Prot gear, without a Prot spec you'll only do so well, and same for Holy.
All in all, I agree with "It's your toon, play it like you want to". However, prepare to face prejudice against Ret Pallies once you get closer to end-game. Yes, you can play like you want to, but people also have the right to not want you in groups over another class that may better fill the role.
My final advice would be to reroll for a more "pure" DPS class. If you dig the whole two-hander, plate-wearing thing go Arms Warrior. Otherwise you might wanna try a Rogue, Hunter, Lock or Mage, etc.
If you like going in with a big 2H in PvE you're going to find a lot of people questioning you. DW is generally considered best for PvE, since it provides more stable damage over time, and because it generally scales better with gear. However, if you do want to, paladins just got a buff in that they can get 30% threat reduction, a slam warrior is a very good source of 2H damage, and enhancement shamans are not anything to scoff at.
If you want to melee DPS and are willing to DW, you could try a DW Fury Warrior, an Enhancement Shaman with DW and DW spec, a rogue, or a feral druid (granted cat druids count as just one weapon...but it's so fast I'll include here).
You could also try a hunter for ranged DPS, a mage for massive nukes, a warlock for insane DoTs, a balance druid for some decent nukes and a nice buff to spellcasters, an elemental shaman, or a shadow priest (which will help heal and regen mana to a small extent) if you dont mind casting.
All in all, you have several options to DPS. Some classes have several trees which are capable of DPSing well. I'd personally recommend for you a 2H shaman.
As to the "pallys only heal" thing...pallys make insane tanks, too. DPS in groups isn't one of their strong points, however it is better than their crowd control =P
If you want to melee DPS and are willing to DW, you could try a DW Fury Warrior, an Enhancement Shaman with DW and DW spec, a rogue, or a feral druid (granted cat druids count as just one weapon...but it's so fast I'll include here).
You could also try a hunter for ranged DPS, a mage for massive nukes, a warlock for insane DoTs, a balance druid for some decent nukes and a nice buff to spellcasters, an elemental shaman, or a shadow priest (which will help heal and regen mana to a small extent) if you dont mind casting.
All in all, you have several options to DPS. Some classes have several trees which are capable of DPSing well. I'd personally recommend for you a 2H shaman.
As to the "pallys only heal" thing...pallys make insane tanks, too. DPS in groups isn't one of their strong points, however it is better than their crowd control =P
Why don’t you level another toon to 20 and if you like the new class better don’t look back.
One thing though, if you do re-roll, do not delete your Pally level him up to 29 or 39 and twink him out for BGs. The Ret paladin smashes face like crazy in those brackets.
One thing though, if you do re-roll, do not delete your Pally level him up to 29 or 39 and twink him out for BGs. The Ret paladin smashes face like crazy in those brackets.
if what you want is to so pure dps and never expected to do anything else, yeah, reroll. for pure dps i'd say rogue. its the one class that at 62 out dpses me. mages are good too. if you want to be flexible in what you can do and still be popular druid is the class. feral and resto druids are popular and either one can tank, dps or heal with the right gear. warriors can tank or dps and both are still popular. shamans dps and heal. however if you really just enjoy the pally class and still want to do dps, then go for it. with the changes in 2.3, ret pallys can do good dps and not get killed for it. you just won't be popular. for some of us thats ok. i love having a hunter tell me pallys don't dps while i'm looking at the damage meter and seeing him at only half my damage done.
sounds like you want to do some pvp too though.. if thats your main focus, i'd reroll a warlock. or maybe a holy pally if healing in a bg appeals to you. or a hunter if you can get good at kiting. i saw a lvl 19 twink hunter take down a lvl 39 well geared and skilled pally. this was in a guild meeting where we were doing some duels for fun and this pally had been unbeatable by even a couple of low 40's. so someone offered to duel him with their 19 twink. after the 19 won that pally kept accusing the hunter of cheating and anything else he could think of. all it was though was some VERY skilled kiting.
sounds like you want to do some pvp too though.. if thats your main focus, i'd reroll a warlock. or maybe a holy pally if healing in a bg appeals to you. or a hunter if you can get good at kiting. i saw a lvl 19 twink hunter take down a lvl 39 well geared and skilled pally. this was in a guild meeting where we were doing some duels for fun and this pally had been unbeatable by even a couple of low 40's. so someone offered to duel him with their 19 twink. after the 19 won that pally kept accusing the hunter of cheating and anything else he could think of. all it was though was some VERY skilled kiting.
End-game pallies rock. Don't give up.
Thanks for all the input guys, I really like the versatility of a pally, so I think I'll keep it, but I might try a rouge for a while. Even if they are squishy:)
Bottom line is do whatever makes your character fun to YOU, and to heck what anyone else thinks.
I tried going Retribution early levels until about 35, and then I was going to respec to Protection.
Got to lvl 22 with Ret and SoC, and wasn't impressed. Respecced to full protection at lvl 22, and have been having a blast since then.
People may say "come on, noob, you need to be Ret till 35, then spec Protection", but I don't really care what they think. I've been having fun taking out mobs 4 levels higher than me at lvl 26 (that's right, been taking down lvl 30 ogres). My dude won't die. I can't kill in .02 seconds like a rogue, but I have no downtime either, I can just do an endless grind of need be.
I tried going Retribution early levels until about 35, and then I was going to respec to Protection.
Got to lvl 22 with Ret and SoC, and wasn't impressed. Respecced to full protection at lvl 22, and have been having a blast since then.
People may say "come on, noob, you need to be Ret till 35, then spec Protection", but I don't really care what they think. I've been having fun taking out mobs 4 levels higher than me at lvl 26 (that's right, been taking down lvl 30 ogres). My dude won't die. I can't kill in .02 seconds like a rogue, but I have no downtime either, I can just do an endless grind of need be.
You have to remember that endgame its mostly holy trinity (tank/spank/heal) and since there are fewer classes that can heal (or tank) than there are classes that can DPS, people want the classes that *can* heal (or tank) to heal (or tank). It's just that simple.
Ret pallies do fine DPS regardless of what the masses think. But while I agree with the sentiment that you should play how you wish regardless of what others say, at some point in the game (ie, towards the level cap), what others think about your spec, playstyle and gear begins to have a substantial impact on your enjoyment of the game, because most of the game involves working together with other players either in PvP or PvE -- so at the very end of the day, it does matter what others think, unfortunately.
Ret pallies do fine DPS regardless of what the masses think. But while I agree with the sentiment that you should play how you wish regardless of what others say, at some point in the game (ie, towards the level cap), what others think about your spec, playstyle and gear begins to have a substantial impact on your enjoyment of the game, because most of the game involves working together with other players either in PvP or PvE -- so at the very end of the day, it does matter what others think, unfortunately.
all options can be done...but realise that a pally is primarly a utility, and imo the best ingame! they are tough healers, good multi-mob tanks and can be good support dps. dps will not outdo a mage or lock etc....tank will not have the mitigation of a warrior, and heals will not always be as high as a holy priest.
before anyone says it, all points there are arguable, and i agree. i love the pally to death because of the options. Being a Ret pally IMO is one of the harder options in the game, but can be done.
if you want to do damage, then try going prot at say level 35 and AOE grind mobs...it is very fun.
in saying all this, i roll a 10/48/3 fire mage, and his sustained dps is up there will the best, try a hunter, or a lock for dps as well...or rogue.
they are the true dps classes. but...pally all round toughness ftw!!
before anyone says it, all points there are arguable, and i agree. i love the pally to death because of the options. Being a Ret pally IMO is one of the harder options in the game, but can be done.
if you want to do damage, then try going prot at say level 35 and AOE grind mobs...it is very fun.
in saying all this, i roll a 10/48/3 fire mage, and his sustained dps is up there will the best, try a hunter, or a lock for dps as well...or rogue.
they are the true dps classes. but...pally all round toughness ftw!!
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You should also take into account pally's lack of CC. It will be tough to find heroic groups etc. as a [sub-par] dps without any means of CC. Granted, you do bring other utility which isn't provided by other dps classes. i.e. blessings, auras and such. The overwhelming majority of retadins I have seen tend to be, well, dumb. They are so focused on their l33t dps instead of the utility they provide to the group. Also, it must be said that for raw dps a retadin is definitely not your best choice. A "pure" dps class of similar gear will always out-dps you, unless someone forgot to tell me something after 2.3.
Actually since patch 2.3 I kinda like having a good Ret Paly in my group when I tank (stress GOOD Ret Paly, they're still hard to come by). This is being a Paladin tank so their lack of CC isn't an issue, and having Sanctity Aura makes holding aggro that much easier. So it kinda depends on the groups tank whether or not a Ret Paly will be wanted at all, and the group's prejudice of course. I still don't like Ret Palys cause it's hard to find one that's worried about more then stroking his epeen, but on the off chance I find a good one it's nice.
THink of it this way: Warriors don't bring any CC either, but Fury and Arms Warriors still get invited to groups. If you're a good Ret Paly, make a name for yourself and it won't be so bad.
THink of it this way: Warriors don't bring any CC either, but Fury and Arms Warriors still get invited to groups. If you're a good Ret Paly, make a name for yourself and it won't be so bad.
PriestValon wrote:
Also, it must be said that for raw dps a retadin is definitely not your best choice. A "pure" dps class of similar gear will always out-dps you, unless someone forgot to tell me something after 2.3.
yeah, i don't think anyone 'forgot' to tell you something.... its been discussed a lot. i think you just forgot to read half the threads since 2.3.... ret pallys are hardly 'sub-par' dps.
Zenithal wrote:
I've got a level 25 Retadin that I've been leveling for a bit now, since I want to do damage. But everyone I've talked to said that all Pallys do in groups is heal. I know ret got buffed in 2.3, but shoud I re-roll to something else if I want to do dps?
You should reroll.
You can DPS with Retribution, it basically requires the best gear in the game, either from the arena or PvP. In addition you will not DPS as well as pure DPS classes, and retribution as a spec isn't very good in the arenas.
In the end, you will end up getting better results if you put your time and effort into a DPS class if DPS and owning in PvP is all you want to do.
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yeah, i don't think anyone 'forgot' to tell you something.... its been discussed a lot. i think you just forgot to read half the threads since 2.3.... ret pallys are hardly 'sub-par' dps.
lol it seems like you feel very strongly about this. I must say that I surf these forums as well as the o-boards daily. Could you find me a post where someone openly chooses a L33t DPS r0xx0r pally over ANY other dps given the chance? WOOT Crusader Strike went from a 10sec CD to 6sec!!!! OMFG l337 pw4g3!!!
sorry buddy but the sad fact is any dps > pally dps. This is not taking into account superior gearing and player skill obviously. But all things being equal there is NO WAY that l33t pally is gonna out dps anything other than his holy counterpart. lmao. perhaps I was a bit strong in my sub-par quote. lemme rephrase it a bit simpler for you!
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It will be tough to find heroic groups etc. as a [mediocre] dps without any means of CC.
sorry buddy, its a sad fact of life.
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