What is, in general, better at pvp?
Not counting the skill of the player.
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what do you mean? if a rogue and pally duelled who would win? Who is better in arena? Who is better in BGs? Who is better in world PvP?
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All of those averaged, but mostly arena and world.
assuming you are decent, a pally will take you the furthest in arena. In general.
For world PvP, nothing beats the thrill of the rogue imo, because it is freaking hilarious ganking the **** out of unsuspecting players.
But a pally would probably kick the crap out of a rogue, even if the rogue jumped him at 50% hp.
For world PvP, nothing beats the thrill of the rogue imo, because it is freaking hilarious ganking the **** out of unsuspecting players.
But a pally would probably kick the crap out of a rogue, even if the rogue jumped him at 50% hp.
I've dueled a few decent rogues before, with holy shield and my other abilities such as ret aura I generally just tank them to death. =/
Only time I've lost to a rogue was an assassination spec in my guild that over the course of over a half hour period wore me down until he was finally able to beat me.
Only time I've lost to a rogue was an assassination spec in my guild that over the course of over a half hour period wore me down until he was finally able to beat me.
Only pallies i ever fight are holy, and they drop like little ******* after their bubble wears off. Considering i can interrupt every single heal outside of the bubble they dont have much of a chance.
in world pvp. given all things equal, id say nothing can beat a pally who gets the jump and knows how do use his CDs, save a well played shadow priest(or maybe i just dont know how to fight shadow priests). and nothing short of a mage can actually escape a pally either. but fighting attrition battles are not exactly fun.
in world pvp i would most definatly rather play a rogue.
in organized PvP, i dont think anything is more saught after then a plate wearing Healer . .
and in a duel. a prot pally should kill rogue with ease. i dont know about a ret or holy spec.
and before anyone trys to say warlocks. i would just like to say i absolutely love fighting warlocks with my pally. they go down like a rock. at least when i get the first hit. if its the other way around, i cry like a little girl.
in world pvp i would most definatly rather play a rogue.
in organized PvP, i dont think anything is more saught after then a plate wearing Healer . .
and in a duel. a prot pally should kill rogue with ease. i dont know about a ret or holy spec.
and before anyone trys to say warlocks. i would just like to say i absolutely love fighting warlocks with my pally. they go down like a rock. at least when i get the first hit. if its the other way around, i cry like a little girl.
LOL. What about when your stunned? Thats usually when i drop a heal if i need to.
1 vs 1 we are pretty good against rogues, but you have to look at the differences between the classes. Rogues are offensive whereas Paladins are more defensive, remember this when playing them.
With my tankadin: Holy Shield + Ret Aura + BoSanc + SoV = Win. I was pvping in Arathi the other day (protecting the farm by myself) and an undead rogue attacked me. Although he got in an initial ambush and backstab using this combo I was sitting there sending him lols. At 25% health he tried to run and i just stunned and finished him off. No need for bubble or LoH. He attacked twice more before coming back with reinforcements (Damn casters!)
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Arthorius - 70 Human Paladin - Khaz'garoth
1 vs 1 we are pretty good against rogues, but you have to look at the differences between the classes. Rogues are offensive whereas Paladins are more defensive, remember this when playing them.
With my tankadin: Holy Shield + Ret Aura + BoSanc + SoV = Win. I was pvping in Arathi the other day (protecting the farm by myself) and an undead rogue attacked me. Although he got in an initial ambush and backstab using this combo I was sitting there sending him lols. At 25% health he tried to run and i just stunned and finished him off. No need for bubble or LoH. He attacked twice more before coming back with reinforcements (Damn casters!)
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Arthorius - 70 Human Paladin - Khaz'garoth
[quote=arthoriuss]LOL. What about when your stunned? Thats usually when i drop a heal if i need to./quote]
They can go ahead and stun. They [holy pallies] wont ever kill me because they will be too busy scrambling for an opportunity to heal to do any damage :P
prot and ret on the other hand can cause some problems.
They can go ahead and stun. They [holy pallies] wont ever kill me because they will be too busy scrambling for an opportunity to heal to do any damage :P
prot and ret on the other hand can cause some problems.
KT, have you dueled a Holy Pally since 2.3? spell dmg consecrates? to me i would think a +1800/600 Holy priest would be murder with HoTs n DoTs. comments?
Man I hate stun locking rogues - ******* hate them.
I think they give me the biggest headache out of any class. It's so frustrating to try and get heals off with one of those bastards running around me.
I think it is so frustrating because I am used to smashing their heads in from my ret days...
I did kill one the other day though, that still feels good….ahhh….yeah….good time
I think they give me the biggest headache out of any class. It's so frustrating to try and get heals off with one of those bastards running around me.
I think it is so frustrating because I am used to smashing their heads in from my ret days...
I did kill one the other day though, that still feels good….ahhh….yeah….good time
The RuenBahamut of Doom wrote:
in world pvp. given all things equal, id say nothing can beat a pally who gets the jump...
Yeah, and how often to Paladins actually get the jump on people? Let's face it, a Paladin ganking someone usually plays out like that scene from Austin Powers where he runs over the henchman with the steamroller. You'll go hoarse from shouting, "Noooooooooooooooooo!" long before he actually reaches you and starts the fight.
World PvP: ganked or not, the Paladin should win this one unless the Rogue is AR/Prep with all his cooldowns up or very skilled.
Duel: see above.
BG and Arena: if the OP is only concerned with offensive PvP (I.E. killing things) then the Rogue is superior in every way. If the Pally is Holy and supporting his team then they're both excellent for PvP in their own right.
Really, comparing a Pally and Rogue is like comparing apples and oranges. The apple has very little control and is defensive in nature, while the orange is offensive with a lot of control and will blind you by squirting juice in your eye.
Gaudion wrote:
while the orange is offensive with a lot of control and will blind you by squirting juice in your eye.
thats good stuff, i'm going to try to use that
tommyguns wrote:
KT, have you dueled a Holy Pally since 2.3? spell dmg consecrates? to me i would think a +1800/600 Holy priest would be murder with HoTs n DoTs. comments?
Heh, no i havent. Ive only played 10 games of arena on my pally and rogue each since the patch and then called it for the week... I dont expect their consecrate to be able to kill me before I kill them :P
Rupture>Ownage>bubble>sprint+restealth>CloS through Consecrate>rupture>AR+BF+Trinket>kick/gouge/KS every heal>more ownage.
Trinket out of HoJ. I've had several occasions where it was me vs pally in arena and BG though, and every pally in arena is holy and most in BG are holy, and they all get locked down horribly. Its just what rogues do. But hey, put a similarly geared arms warrior in front of me one and one and watch me squeal like a girl who got "oops wrong holed".
Holy priests bother me when im chasing them down in arena. 1 on 1 though i smoked them before the patch, after the patch if they have the anti-crit talent i dunno. Need more time to really assess it. The nice thing about 1v1 (or the dumb thing depending how you see it) is that you have all the time in the world. I dont need to use my CP to do damage, I have the time to go for total lock down and let my autoattacks/SSs do the work. In 2v2 at least on my team, i gotta kill somebody. Otherwise my buddy or I get pwnt. In that setting the durable holy priests and pallies are pretty tough opponents.
Gaudion,
The apple/orange part is priceless! Now quit the joking because I can not use another laugh-out-loud-attracting-strange-faces-from-collegues! (spelling?)
The apple/orange part is priceless! Now quit the joking because I can not use another laugh-out-loud-attracting-strange-faces-from-collegues! (spelling?)
well ret paladins can also stun lock for about 12 seconds, just start off with repentence, than judge command (double dmg due to target stuned), and the crusader strike and hit, and then be4 they start wacking at me, hammer of justice, judge and reseal and maybe a concecration. then usually the rogue is at 35% hp at best, just crudader strike+ judgments to chase him and finish him off with a hammer of wrath at 10% hp.
stormofnova wrote:
well ret paladins can also stun lock for about 12 seconds...
No, they can't. They can keep you incapacitated for 12 seconds if they don't hit you. Repentance puts the target to sleep, meaning as soon as you or anyone else strikes them they will get to move and act again. And, since they know that after you've burned Repentance and HoJ you've got absolutely nothing left, at higher levels they are just going to take the single hit from Repentance and then ability/trinket out of HoJ.
I've found the best way to beat a rogue or any class really, is to duel alot and NEVER use the bubble. Once you start getting better you can actually kill people without bubbling or come close to it. Try it, it really helps you break the bubble crutch.
Use rank 1 consecrate, judge seal of justice and starting the fight use Ret Aura, once you pop the stun lock switch to concentration to heal. HoJ him, consecrate again and heal. Sometimes I like to get SofV on him a few ticks before switching to SofR. Keeps him from going stealth if he leaves Consecrate area.
Also, heal early and often when possible.
I can usually handle rogues pretty good but the ones that give me the most trouble use the mind numbing poison and the healing debuff. It's tough to keep them cleansed off of you completely.
Use rank 1 consecrate, judge seal of justice and starting the fight use Ret Aura, once you pop the stun lock switch to concentration to heal. HoJ him, consecrate again and heal. Sometimes I like to get SofV on him a few ticks before switching to SofR. Keeps him from going stealth if he leaves Consecrate area.
Also, heal early and often when possible.
I can usually handle rogues pretty good but the ones that give me the most trouble use the mind numbing poison and the healing debuff. It's tough to keep them cleansed off of you completely.
all Gaudions posts on this topic are right on.
the OPs question is too broad to be answered, and to be honest a little ignorant. its like asking "who is the best baseball player". impossible to answer without a focus.
a pally's true pvp power lies in the variety of tools he has at his command. what makes pallies so desirable is what they can do outside the scope of the preset roles. for instance, while i was Ret i would focus my mission to be offensive support #1 and offensive smashing #2. that meaning: if im with the flag carrier he gets my BoF, my 2 stuns are used for flag chasers, i keep SoJ up for the enemies on mounts, and LoH for that all important last cap FTW...now this all goes against the standard Ret mantra of 'smash and chase to infinity' but whatever.
if you are looking for the better class to duel with, i'd recommend you reread the packing that WoW came in...says something about multiplayer somewhere. you'll soon realize that duels get old really fast, and that contributing to a group win has a more lasting effect at the cost of an ever shinking e-peen.
the OPs question is too broad to be answered, and to be honest a little ignorant. its like asking "who is the best baseball player". impossible to answer without a focus.
a pally's true pvp power lies in the variety of tools he has at his command. what makes pallies so desirable is what they can do outside the scope of the preset roles. for instance, while i was Ret i would focus my mission to be offensive support #1 and offensive smashing #2. that meaning: if im with the flag carrier he gets my BoF, my 2 stuns are used for flag chasers, i keep SoJ up for the enemies on mounts, and LoH for that all important last cap FTW...now this all goes against the standard Ret mantra of 'smash and chase to infinity' but whatever.
if you are looking for the better class to duel with, i'd recommend you reread the packing that WoW came in...says something about multiplayer somewhere. you'll soon realize that duels get old really fast, and that contributing to a group win has a more lasting effect at the cost of an ever shinking e-peen.
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