/Blush... Heroics. I'm I ready?Follow

Thanks for the pointers Axhed.

I'll have to start working on the Camp Forge chain.. I'm on the 1st part where you kill X amount of each mob.... Just can't get people to run it, thanks to it being a chain. Maybe I'll just sit in Nardia (movie) and shout for people to join in the fun. That will take all day, but yet.. that would be a nice tanking body.

Maybe I'll do that, and look for Mech party. Either way I'll have a shot at a good tanking chest.

Replace my cape I love the defense on it... but the dodge will prolly help a bit more I guess.

I also need to get my tanking gun mats. I've really been dreading that.

I've been playing my Priest as of late. I like having options on what I'll do (quest, instance, craft) instead of "I must run this instance for this item or I can't progress". Lol, if my lv 25 Priest does not get robe of argus or w/e I'll just leveling until there's something better.

As for the epic flyer... I still can't get it lol. lv 60-70 greens just don't sell. I've managed to get 100g from them I think. I don't see me ever getting one. 5000g is just crazy, I'm at like 1000g... still.

Edited, Nov 18th 2007 7:25am by GYFFORD

Hit 70 last night on Blackhand server (Kinkayed) and tanked Heroic Ramps. I am the MS-Death wish PVP build from the sticky.
My Kara guild's MT dropped and they asked me to reroll a warrior because of my success on a warrior from a different server, so I did. Needless to say they were biting at the bit to get me to come run with them. I had been 70 about 20 min before they pressured me into going.
I was worried but the people in the guild are awesome and the healer was over geared so we did awesome.

Love the patch for extra MS threat!

I bought the whole faith in felsteal set (About 60g for all 3 items!) and had the Warchiefs mantle and Warbringer chest guard, and some green boots: / so basically suck gear. My defense is about 470 11k HP unbuffed.
1 wipe on a bad pull (Mage standing around joking) everything else was one shot.
I did burn shield wall on the first and last boss (That's what it’s for). The belt didn't drop, dam shaman gloves : /

But I agree be very careful with your rep, I ran it with friends who wanted me to go. If I had wiped us in a pug it would have been different.

Hmm you do know that those items give defence rating which is not defence skill.

I am not sure but I think 8 rating gives 1 skill and you need skill not rating....

As a protection warrior you can bump your defence skill with a talent.

As for heroics I find Sleve Pens the easiest one. The only hard part of it are 2 pulls after second boss and last boss who prefers tank with a bit more HPs. Still its much easier then last two Mechanar bosses and Ramparts where as I remember mobs have a bad habbit of disarming and fearing and last boss can one shoot your group when you miss taunt or aren't fast enough, and where party needs some basic skills at positioning on a two last bosses actually.

Earlier in the thread someone said:

"I'd try to get your Aldor rep up to revered so you can get the plate chest piece off of them - Vindicator's Hauberk - and slap a +150 health enchant on it. It will also help your defense and other stats as well."

I have to tell you this now... DONT BUY THAT GOD$#%^@# PEICE OF TRASH!!!! It may look good and have good stats, but the amount of defense rating on it will cripple you when you get a replacement. The best thing you can do is farm Mechanar for Jade Skull Breastplate or Arcatraz for Bold Chestguard.

Thank you all for this discussion.

I just got 70 maybe a month ago.
All Solo.

Switched to Prot and a Shield and am starting to move up the instance ladder.
Thanks for letting me know what I need to work for to be ready for Heroics (*AFTER* I get my fast flying mount!)

In the meantime I'll continue doing higher and higher level instances, hopefully getting some nice upgrades somewhere along the line.

Due to this and many other threads I know what to look for.

Thank you GYFFORD for starting this thread :)
Much appreciated.

I love my Breastplate of the Warbringer :) It's a fairly easy quest (even more so at 70) and has a good amount of stamina, defense and hit. I give up a bit of avoidance, but that hit is awesome!

Actually, slow weapons are almost always a worse choice for tanking over a fast weapon. Your rage-generation becomes spiky (making it harder to rely on, and if you miss that first hit it makes things that much trickier) and it devalues heroic strike. If you use HS with a slow weapon, you waste more rage for marginally more threat.

Well, there's your first problem right there: You always open with shield slam. Your priority to get the highest threat should be Shield slam -> Revenge -> Sunder/Devestate. Not Devestate on top.

And in most boss fights you'll have enough rage to spam HS, so a fast weapon becomes much better for TPS then.

And unfortunately you can't rely on the parry to increase your attack rate, which is why a fast weapon is better, as you can rely on it more to hit at the start of a fight.

Oh well. Actually I just stated that Crystalline Kopesh is a toothpick and gave some suggestions on alternatives. I had a time with stated fist weapon, and having 350 unarmed skill is obviusly one step closer to be optimized, so Im glad I had a peroid with it. the stanima, attack speed and hit rating makes it an exellent weapon at its level. ;)

Non raid bosses usualy don't allow me to dump rage into heroic strike that often. Mayhaps you suggest that in terms of rage effectivity its better to have a fast weapon for cheaper Heroic Strike than a slow for better devastate? I don't know the answer on that, but obviously it depends on how often you have rage to spare for heroic strike.

Parry haste should not be discarded. ofc if you meet the big bad hardhitter who hits once ever 2-3 seconds it doesn't do that much. But if your tanking multiple mobs or someone who hits fasters it's more important. It ups both you threat from white damage and rage generation. OP have 16.5% parry, if he tanks four mobs that have an attack speed of 2.00 he will recive 12 attacks every 6 seconds. slighty less then two of those attacks will be parried. Effectively this means that he will get a free attack during those 6, and that free attack ain't even normalized.

Ye know, Iv'e played with both fast and slow weapons, and I have never noticed that my rage generation is harder to handle with a slow weapon. I suppose that's after personal prefferences, but it doesn't affect your tps. =P

When i use devastate, the first attack usualy hits for around 150 damage, thats around 220 threat, in addition to that it generates 100 extra threat and 300 threat from the sunder armor effect. thats over 500 threat for 9 rage. Each stack generates more threat. Each devastate after that untill you get 5 stacks of it gains roughly 60 more threat for each sunder. The 5:th devastate generate over 700 threat. My shield slam deals slightly more than 500 damage (with sunder armor up) thats 1000 threat for the cost of 17 rage.

I usualy don't bother using Shield Slam untill 5 sunders are up anymore. Devastate is a smoother way to do it, better rage effectivity and you get sunder armor debuff up faster.

btw, on my earlier post, I meant Shield Slam, not shield bash, I do that mistake all the time. ^^
Shield Bash, Revenge, Devastate, Devastate...