I'm not sure if I'm doing anything wrong, but, it seems like my Void Walker can keep aggro. Especially with more than one mob. I thought that was kinda the point of using the VW: draw aggro, so I can deal damage from afar.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm Affliction spec'd, level 33. I've fully upgraded all my minions.
How the fight usually goes:
Send in VW
Wait for a few hits from VW then:
Curse of Agony
Corruption
Immolate
Wand, wand wand, etc
Sometimes though, when the add comes over to the VW, he fails to keep aggro on the second one, so when I do my first CoA on the add, he comes right at me. If a third one comes, he goes right past the VW and attacks me straight away.
Am I doing something wrong? Or is this just something that happens?
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I find it helps to let the VW get off two taunts before attacking. If I still draw aggro off the VW the mob is usually dead before it gets to me. As far as VW keeping aggro on additional mobs, you have to use the AOE taunt (suffering) the VW has. I keep torment on autocast and suffering not on autocast. Only cast suffering when VW is taking on more than one add.
edit: This only applies to affliction builds...my current build is more destruction, so VW can't hold aggro at all.
Edited, Nov 15th 2007 11:18am by Ailitardif
edit: This only applies to affliction builds...my current build is more destruction, so VW can't hold aggro at all.
Edited, Nov 15th 2007 11:18am by Ailitardif
bgredsox wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm doing anything wrong, but, it seems like my Void Walker can keep aggro. Especially with more than one mob. I thought that was kinda the point of using the VW: draw aggro, so I can deal damage from afar.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm Affliction spec'd, level 33. I've fully upgraded all my minions.
How the fight usually goes:
Send in VW
Wait for a few hits from VW then:
Curse of Agony
Corruption
Immolate
Wand, wand wand, etc
Sometimes though, when the add comes over to the VW, he fails to keep aggro on the second one, so when I do my first CoA on the add, he comes right at me. If a third one comes, he goes right past the VW and attacks me straight away.
Am I doing something wrong? Or is this just something that happens?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm Affliction spec'd, level 33. I've fully upgraded all my minions.
How the fight usually goes:
Send in VW
Wait for a few hits from VW then:
Curse of Agony
Corruption
Immolate
Wand, wand wand, etc
Sometimes though, when the add comes over to the VW, he fails to keep aggro on the second one, so when I do my first CoA on the add, he comes right at me. If a third one comes, he goes right past the VW and attacks me straight away.
Am I doing something wrong? Or is this just something that happens?
Hmmm. Have you gone to the pet trainer and purchased all of the grimoires for your VW? Is his mass taunt set on Auto (it should trigger when the add comes in)?
Other than that, wait to toss your first spell on the add until after the first mob is down. Start your rotation with Siphon Life. Stop using your wand and life tap/drain life instead, the first mob will go down MUCH faster. You might want to put a pause for an additional torment before you cast immolate, since the initial burst of damage is a good way of pulling aggro from your VW.
By the time I was 33 I was trying to find areas where I could fight 3 monsters at a time. Lets face it, even with VW your primary stat should be STA and you should have more HP than most other people in your level range. You can definatly stand to take a few hits.
Send your VW in on 1 guy and let him taunt, cast corruption and CoA and Siphon Life (all instants) on each of them but don't wand or Drain (will be overpowering amount of agro.) Lastly take a final monster and take him yourself entirely, using Immolate to pull, Corruption Agony Siphon and then Wanding if you have high HP or Drain if it's getting lower.
When that one dies refresh DoTs on the mob your VW is actively tanking (should be like 40% or less by now anyways depending on how long it took to find/pull the monsters) and then start either wanding or draining the other (which should be at about the same HP level.) He will most likely immediately run to you as you've built up some agro already.
All of this is simply an alternate way of letting your DoTs run their course on multiple targets before some of your nicer spells are available (especially IHoT.)
I had some serious problems with my VW soon after this, though, as he really doesn't have the mana regeneration capability to keep this up, and it ends up being Warlock with 90%hp/90%mp and VW with 90%hp/10%mp... So i started just resummoning him every few fights but that just got to be at drag. I was SO happy to finally get Dark Pact and get rid of that blue dumby at 40.
Send your VW in on 1 guy and let him taunt, cast corruption and CoA and Siphon Life (all instants) on each of them but don't wand or Drain (will be overpowering amount of agro.) Lastly take a final monster and take him yourself entirely, using Immolate to pull, Corruption Agony Siphon and then Wanding if you have high HP or Drain if it's getting lower.
When that one dies refresh DoTs on the mob your VW is actively tanking (should be like 40% or less by now anyways depending on how long it took to find/pull the monsters) and then start either wanding or draining the other (which should be at about the same HP level.) He will most likely immediately run to you as you've built up some agro already.
All of this is simply an alternate way of letting your DoTs run their course on multiple targets before some of your nicer spells are available (especially IHoT.)
I had some serious problems with my VW soon after this, though, as he really doesn't have the mana regeneration capability to keep this up, and it ends up being Warlock with 90%hp/90%mp and VW with 90%hp/10%mp... So i started just resummoning him every few fights but that just got to be at drag. I was SO happy to finally get Dark Pact and get rid of that blue dumby at 40.
The flaw could be, like Mike said, you haven't upgraded your taunt by buying the right grimoire.
Are you shadowbolting in fights? That will pull agro.
Read the compendium on how to "drain hunt." In a nutshell, it's the art of helping your vw keep agro while you tap and drain and end fights full of mana and health (so you have no downtime, thus keeping a good exp-gain-per-hour-played rate).
You sic vw while casting cor and coa (and the aff dot if you have it). Do NOT cast immolate until two taunts have landed unresisted (learn to spot this). Then try immolate (which is not needed if you're fighting greens or low yellows). Tap to refill mana, drain to rebuild health. Wand if needed.
OR read the compendium and learn how to "drain TANK."
To kill three mobs w/ a vw: let the vw hit FIRST. If you cast before he hits one of the mobs (you're attacking a cluster of three), the other two will attack YOU. If vw hits first, all 3 will be on him.
Dot up first mob. Once he's got all the dots you think are needed on him, move vw to second mob and dot twice.
First mob will charge you. This is okay, he'll be around half dead or more. Shadowbolt him, searing pain him, fear him if it's safe tossing on another dot - whatever - kill him. It's not hard.
Add another dot to second mob and move vw to third mob, dotting it. Second mob will charge you. Kill it like you killed the first one.
Now tap self and drain third mob to repair your health. Heal vw if needed, but ususally this is not needed (with health funnel). Or fear third mob if vw's going down (or sac vw and finish off third mob - usually only needed if the mobs are very tough).
Have the vw use his ability to heal himself while you loot; move to next fight. Simple.
Edit, I've found you can't sic the vw and then area attack. It will pull agro, even if you use the vw's area taunt. Btw, his area taunt is a nice "safety valve" - just keep in mind the range is not huge (i.e. if you get attacked, run close to vw and hit the area taunt button -- do NOT leave this one on autocast).
Edited, Nov 15th 2007 3:53pm by IponemaGirl
Are you shadowbolting in fights? That will pull agro.
Read the compendium on how to "drain hunt." In a nutshell, it's the art of helping your vw keep agro while you tap and drain and end fights full of mana and health (so you have no downtime, thus keeping a good exp-gain-per-hour-played rate).
You sic vw while casting cor and coa (and the aff dot if you have it). Do NOT cast immolate until two taunts have landed unresisted (learn to spot this). Then try immolate (which is not needed if you're fighting greens or low yellows). Tap to refill mana, drain to rebuild health. Wand if needed.
OR read the compendium and learn how to "drain TANK."
To kill three mobs w/ a vw: let the vw hit FIRST. If you cast before he hits one of the mobs (you're attacking a cluster of three), the other two will attack YOU. If vw hits first, all 3 will be on him.
Dot up first mob. Once he's got all the dots you think are needed on him, move vw to second mob and dot twice.
First mob will charge you. This is okay, he'll be around half dead or more. Shadowbolt him, searing pain him, fear him if it's safe tossing on another dot - whatever - kill him. It's not hard.
Add another dot to second mob and move vw to third mob, dotting it. Second mob will charge you. Kill it like you killed the first one.
Now tap self and drain third mob to repair your health. Heal vw if needed, but ususally this is not needed (with health funnel). Or fear third mob if vw's going down (or sac vw and finish off third mob - usually only needed if the mobs are very tough).
Have the vw use his ability to heal himself while you loot; move to next fight. Simple.
Edit, I've found you can't sic the vw and then area attack. It will pull agro, even if you use the vw's area taunt. Btw, his area taunt is a nice "safety valve" - just keep in mind the range is not huge (i.e. if you get attacked, run close to vw and hit the area taunt button -- do NOT leave this one on autocast).
Edited, Nov 15th 2007 3:53pm by IponemaGirl
My about this level I gave up on my voidwalker. My damage output for outclassed the VW'ers tanking ability, and I switched to drain tanking with succy - I take all but the first hit or two and chainpull for hours on end :D
However, I'll clear up a few threat-related things for you:
Torment adds a set amount of threat to a mob. Damage also adds it at a rate of 1:1, against the mob you're attacking, unless you have talents to reduce threat. It's very easy to outdo the void walker's threat, however.
Healing does half a point of threat for every point healed (i.e. Drain Life or bandaging), however it's also divided among all the mobs who are aware of you.
Another mob that comes in range will trigger the VW's AoE threat ability. However, this adds very little actual threat - it's basically enough to keep you from drawing aggro through healing from Drain Life but nothing more.
Now, if you pull another mob and you're Draining, he may come straight to you since the VW has no threat on him (hasn't hit him), whereas you have healing aggro. The same thing happens when you pull a third mob after the AoE taunt has gone off - there's nothing to keep the mob attacking your blueberry, so he runs straight to you at the first point of healing.
However, I'll clear up a few threat-related things for you:
Torment adds a set amount of threat to a mob. Damage also adds it at a rate of 1:1, against the mob you're attacking, unless you have talents to reduce threat. It's very easy to outdo the void walker's threat, however.
Healing does half a point of threat for every point healed (i.e. Drain Life or bandaging), however it's also divided among all the mobs who are aware of you.
Another mob that comes in range will trigger the VW's AoE threat ability. However, this adds very little actual threat - it's basically enough to keep you from drawing aggro through healing from Drain Life but nothing more.
Now, if you pull another mob and you're Draining, he may come straight to you since the VW has no threat on him (hasn't hit him), whereas you have healing aggro. The same thing happens when you pull a third mob after the AoE taunt has gone off - there's nothing to keep the mob attacking your blueberry, so he runs straight to you at the first point of healing.
If your VW cant hold aggro its basically because past level 60, voidwalker + warlock with at least 200 spell damage, even with just 3 dots and wand = warlock aggro.
Well, at least thats the way it goes for my and my friend... we just gave up on blueberry and both now drain tank, its way more useful.
Well, at least thats the way it goes for my and my friend... we just gave up on blueberry and both now drain tank, its way more useful.
if you don't want to pull aggro at that level, don't wand. Wait a couiple more seconds and let your Dot's finish their course and you will be fine. At level 37, I cast curse of agony, sipon life, corruption (usually not immolate since I don't want the aggro spike) and then lifetap and drain. If I pull aggro, it will be when the mob is at like 10% health. However, I am acutely aware that if I cast a single shadowbolt or wand even a couple times then the mob charges me.
I use omen to track VW and my own aggro as a lock.
If you have several dots on him and are wanding, chances are you will have aggro soon.
You can wand a few times, but not constantly.
If you have several dots on him and are wanding, chances are you will have aggro soon.
You can wand a few times, but not constantly.
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