ashbazg wrote:
I've been retri for a couple of levels now (just respecced back to prot since I love tanking), and they do put out some pretty good damage - not compareable with real dps classes, but still a-okay. I think what ppl fail to see is, that a retribution paladin ain't a dps class. It's a suport class, just like shadow priests.....From lvl 60 - 63......
um, i know my ret isn't 70 yet and i'll have to get back to you when i am about ret dps at 70... but my ret is 64 and so far in outlands instances i've had one mage and about 40% of rogues beat me in damage done. most of the time that is when problems with the group require me to off-heal or off-tank. other than those in the top 2 dps classes noone else beats my dps. most don't even come close. if you were 61-63 and not keeping up with dps classes, then yes, please stay prot. i love a good prot pally about as much as a poor ret embarrasses me. like i said, things may change as i reach 70, but at these levels, ret still rocks the dps charts. my DPS this morning in underbog was between 350-400dps. the lvl 70 druid tanking in bear form came close. the rogue was a little behind him. the dps warrior with us was a solid contribution, but thats about all I can say for him. i'm sure if i spent some gold i could do better, but i've geared entirely with instance drops and quest rewards.
ashbazg wrote:
but where they shine is theire ability to make the run smooth, with off healing and offtanking (when needed), further more they now come with some buffing ability + 3% critt for the entire party
yes, i do agree with you here. while the personal dps is great, the lack of CC still would leave us a second choice over a rogue or a mage who in addittion to close dps can also keep an enemy out of the fight entirely for a limited time. fortunately dps isn't all a re has to offer. we are also pallys.... as such we still have the best buffing ability with our variety of blessings and auras and jotc on bosses (kinda useless on anything smaller)
ashbazg wrote:
So in the future whatever I dps with my hunter or tank with my pala I will welcome loladins into the party :D
again i agree with you here. and i ommitted your examples and yes that is another strength of the ret pally. the time the mage beat me it was cause we had an elemental shammy healing, so i had to cast quite a few heals. i still ended 2% behind her... so i didn't feel too bad. my dps set has a lot of rogue and hunter gear so i try to stay away from off-tanking. i keep it to off-healing if needed. if i can keep the tank alive i don't need to off-tank.
anyway, glad you at least gave it a try before discussing it. and prot pallys are my fav tanks, so thats a good choice too. oh, and for motivating your rets than join you... tell them they can't dps... ;) i love when another DPS'er (usually a hunter) tells me i can't DPS while i'm looking at the damage meters 10% or more ahead of them... feels good haha. i like letting them say that a could time and then posting the damage done in party... usually they don't say anything more. and if they do i don't have to say anything in my defense. the rest of the party usually does. especially when damage+healing puts me even farther ahead.
oh well. some will never get rid of old prejudices.