NO MORE DOUBLE TRAP???Follow

Can anyone confirm that this is true?

WTB Double Trapping. 11/14/07

Stupid question on my part... but I just can't believe it!

Lol... I know that it's obvious that it's confirmed... but why?!?!

I don't know why. I personally thought the ability to double-trap was the benefit we got from traps being more cumbersom (i.e. can't target the person you're CCing). And a hunter that knows how to double-trap is a valuable asset to the team. Now, it limits hunters use as CC.


I'm wondering why the dev's assume that traps are as simple as polymorph and shackle. I'd assume they don't know what they're talking about, but they made the fricken game! Traps are non-targetted crowd control on a cooldown, that (used to be able to) work on multiple targets at a time if you were prepared. Polymorph and shackle are not on a CD, and are targetted. As thus they are a lot easier to use, and would be very OP if they could polymorph multiple targets (imagine on 5-mob pulls you have a mage cast polymorph 4 times then DPS for 20 seconds and reapply polys).

So...its like they gave warlock DoT's a 4-second cast or something. That's the way I see it.

u gotta wonder...WTF is point of going SV now?
Ive set up with a MM/SV build for the traps especcially...Fark!
Sv still ahs it's merits now...but jeez

*end sooking*
lol

Link to the thread on Blizzard's forum.

Apparently, A LOT of people are upset about this. And with just cause!

Being able to double (even triple!) trap was one of the foundations of the Survival specced hunter... I know it was one of the reasons that I rolled a hunter in the first place.

I haven't had any experience in raids or heroics yet, but I know that even in lower level instances or situations with multiple mobs, it was always appreciated when I was able to take a couple out of the fight for some time. And I especially liked the idea of my role not being just straight DPS, but rather providing a unique (albeit not always completely reliable: resists, early breaks, my own auto-shot breaking the trap, etc.) utility.

Edit: Added some comments other than the link and my initial "OMG, WTF!!" reaction.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 11:59pm by Rycerz

I posted my thoughts on the subject because I think it's utter *********

The common Huntard that just wants to stand there and pewpew throughout a dungeon and only trap if they really, really have to gets no benefit out of the ability to double trap. To double trap reliably, consistantly, and be able to recover from the occasional setback (ie. resist), you have to spec for it, gear for it, and practice your *** off to get the timing down. If the group takes too long to kill the first mob(s), your dps is shut down while you contain the mobs you are marked to be trapping when they start wearing off.

A lot of the Hunters on the O-boards are QQing that this renders Readiness useless. I disagree, but it makes a talent ability I've gone without that much less appealing to pick up again in the future.

The group I currently run with includes an Arms/Fury Warrior in one of the "cc/dps" spots. We have a static group of 4 people, and it is only my ability to double trap that makes another non-CC dps class an option for our 5th member (ie. Warrior, Shaman, Feral Druid). Hell, often times we can't even bring a Rogue as our 5th because Sap is not an option on many of the pulls. In a sense, losing this ability not only screws over the Hunters that put the talents/time into refining their ability to double trap whenever called upon to do so, it screws over dps classes/specs that aren't able to CC.

I'm not happy about this at all. I was wondering why my attempts to double trap in Heroic Ramparts/Mech last night were accompanied by what seemed like an inordinate number of heartbeat resists. I doubt Blizzard is going to refund the repair bills of me and my group and I understand that sometimes details get missed. I'm not unhappy with them for not announcing the change in a timely fashion, I just think that nerfing something that can only be done well with a certain amount of skill is a poor idea.

That really sucks. In a well-organized group, I was even able to double trap for a short time without readiness or any SV skills. Hell, it wasn't even that hard if I made sure that my cooldown was up. It can even be done stupidly by laying a trap, waiting 30 seconds, multi shotting, and setting down a second trap when the first monster gets frozen.

I'm sure there were even people double trapping while we still had to be out of combat to set down the trap.

*read the link*

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*removes the keyboard and checks if the teethmarks did damage*

*reads the O-boards link on TKA*

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Yeah... can't reply to this. I am just too livid at the moment. What separated me from the Huntard in a Heroic setting got taken away from us. What made the Warrior regarded in our guild as the highest ranked tactical mind on the server consider me a ten times better option in a Heroic over any other CC got raped.

I... don't really have words. Someone is going to pay for this, with pain or blood or both.

Amateur...
The first thing you do is make sure your target is completely naked. Logically, clothes are just there to keep you warm, but being naked also instills a sense of heightened vulnerability. Secondly, completely immobilize your target. If anything should be able to move, it would be the tongue and eyes. Nothing more. This increases the feeling of vulnerability and raises the primeval sense of being trapped. Claustrophobia can also kick in if you are lucky.

Pure pain is never as efficient as good preparation. You really want to make them reek with fear before you even start with the pain. Also, you can make sure they lose hope really soon. The only thing in their lives would be pain and fear.

As for the pain itself, I've always been fond of subdermal hooks. Think Hellraiser only without actually tearing anyone apart. With the right equipment, you can make the pain ease and decrease by tiny increments, while making sure your target is on the heights of pain without losing consciousness due to too much pain at once. Unconscious people aren't very fun to torture.

Another nice one if you have the time would be extreme temperature changes. Slowly cooling a body until it almost goes numb, and then applying heat just below temperatures that would actually burn someone. The pain is exquisite indeed, and it is the kind of pain the receiver will know lasts for hours after application due to the frailty of human bodies. People have started crying and screaming at the top of their lungs just by watching the preparations being made to apply temperature tortures.

Burning? Water Torture? Toenails? Join me in my d-Office (I hardly stumble on that one anymore) and I can give you an education.

North? Read a lot of books on interrogation or got experience? Because thats disturbingly close.

When even North sees this as a huge "***** you" nerf, you know it's bad.

No offense, North. ;-)

And I just went SV and spent a ton of gold on new gems and enchants. I somehow doubt Bliz will bother to refund me.

Sometimes I just don't understand their logic. Our CC takes longer than any other class to accomplish, and requires more setup and timing than any other. And somehow WE need to be nerfed? This would be akin to ALL fear effects only affecting a single target.

Will mages now be only able to freeze a single target? How about a CD on their sheep? What about taking away a lock's ability to chain fear? Yeah, they won't do that. But hunters? To hell with them.

Will rogues and warriors only be able to stun once every 2 minutes? Didn't think so.

Grrrrr....

This is my old avatar. Just got tired of seeing that Wolf. Going to be switching back and forth depending on mood.

And yes, I see this as one hell of a screaming nerf on our side. I have always been patient with balancing classes. Hell, I've yet to truly mind the "nerfs" we've had over the years since they have almost always been balanced by truly needed buffs or changes in other departments. Let's face it, most of the "nerfs" we had over the years were changes to our DPS or how our DPS worked. When it comes to utility we have rarely seen much but buffs or simply had our lacks in that department ignored.

This nerf? It is not balancing classes. How many times have you double trapped something in PvP? Hell, would you waste a cooldown like that considering the trinkets and so on? This nerf takes away a part of the utility that made Hunters competitive for Heroic slots. Now we are left with a CC ability that can't truly be chained without talents/special gear combinations or slowing down the run with preparation. And we lost an Oh Shi|! ability that has repeatedly been used to save the day during bad pulls.

Double or Triple trapping was one of the very few reasons to go up into 41 points in Survival, and double trapping could be done without it. Now, 41 points in Survival will give you one thing, and that is two Rapid Fire's in a row. That's pretty much it, besides removing the Feign CD if you get a resist in a very bad situation.

Our DPS isn't high enough to warrant us taking a Heroic slot that a Mage could fill. Our CC is no longer something we could point at and say "yeah but we can doubletrap on bad/hard pulls".

Contrary to popular opinion, I am very much against Hunter nerfs. True, I am also against pointless buffing that will see us raped further down the road because of the "nref!" cry from everyone who can't see the reasons why we got buffed, but this is not something that should ever have been considered.

We have had this ability since release, almost. It has never been overpowered, and other classes have mostly applauded this ability. Never have we seen any indication from Blizzard that this was unintended or a bug. Now they sneak this one in under the radar while we are celebrating the buffs we received to balance us? And claim it was a bug! Bug my firm, wellrounded *****

I agree... the preparation and skill that it took to be able to effectively utilize these trapping techniques was definitely more than that needed by other CC classes. Turning us into a pew pew type of class is just plain wrong... and it severely weakens an already underpowered talent tree.

I know that it involves skill as well (shot rotations, trinkets, pet management, etc.) and I'm not trying to offend and BM or MM hunters out there, but I find the whole idea of just standing there and adding only my DPS to a group boring.