PVP Hemo... meh?Follow

So, I spec'd AR/Prep/Hemo today.

It started with me logging on and my priest partner raving about his new Disc build and how he was kicking people's *** in duel now.

To which I replied 'Let's see what you do against a good rogue :P'

So we dueled, I beat him. It was never really a close fight, but he did last about 3 time as long as he usually did. I didn't think that the problem might be that my dps was lower, I chalked it up to his increased survability.

So then we figured, 'let's go to teh arena lawlz'.


Now I might be jumping the gun. I might be posting back in 3 days how awesome this is...

But my first impression was that this was pretty damn underwhelming.

I didn't feel like I was doing the same damage as Combat, and while 2 sprint is great for mobility... you feel you need to use AR/vanish early, because you don't want to lose your prep only on a Sprint.

It's just weird :(

I <3 lolstep hemo. The mobility is just too much to pass up.

I can name four times today in the hour that I played that the hemo changes saved my life:

1.) In the world: I was leveling my sword skill and got attacked by a fire mage who hit me with a pom pyro when I was low HP. The pom pyro "killed" me, proccing Cheat Death. I finished up the mob, then ran over to where the mage currently was and popped him in the face. He frost nova -> blinked, to which I just followed him with shadowstep and continued beating his face in. By the time my cheat death had ran out, I still had ~3k HP left and cloak up. I used it on the blast wave and just mercilessly beat the mage to death, critting him for 2.7k on an eviscerate.

2.) In AV: I was in the East Frostwolf Tower and had just managed to kill a horde when a hunter started firing at me from the west tower. I stepped over, moving from the top floor of the east to the top floor of the west and the rest is as they say history.

3.) In Blade's Edge Arena: I fell off the platform when a lock was standing on top of it. He began dotting me and all the other fun lock stuff. I stepped from the ground floor up directly behind him and proceeded to beat his face in.

4.) In AV: I killed a priest but was dying from DoTs and the priest was sitting there watching. Cheat death triggered and gave me enough time to get three ticks off food off (~1k hp). I continued eating and survived from 5% HP having a full set of shadow priest dots on me.

I'd be lying if I said I missed daggers, sub/hemo all the way.

Edit:

And Prep/AR are two 30 point talents so you shouldn't be surprised you're not "up to par" with the other trees in a hybrid build.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 4:26pm by Shaolinz

And why is that shao?

My white damage should be better then it was as combat (due to Hemo and Serrated Blade) and we've had people doing maths to show us Hemo was better damage:energy then SS, even when SS is fully talented for weeks now.

I guess I'm really missing the big number of a SA + Aggression SS that crits with Lethality...

LOL

You stepped from the East Tower to the West Tower?

That's damn funny.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 2:43pm by MYteddy

I read Mongoose's guide about hemo but I'm still extremely skeptical about respeccing. So far I'm guessing hemo now, is like a better combat swords or maces. Which leads me to think its gonig to be supu awesome in PvP and such but what about raiding and instances???

The raiding hemo build is awesome. I was finding it would beat out 41 combat in my testing using full rotations and including the +360 raid damage.

For PvP, the hemos dont hit as hard as talented SSs making my effective PvP damage drop a tad. Dont get me wrong, the new hemo is leagues better than the old one, but straight up hit for hit, SS was beating it. with my gear.

Big buff for rogues in larger scale PvP, like 5v5 or even 3v3 where utility is an asset. In 2v2, I've found utility to be done away with in favor of raw damage and anti healing debuffs.

The main issue came from fighting a druid/war team. I couldn't really use AR on the druid, because being a slippery ****, he'd get away. And I didn't dare blow prep to get a 2nd vanish, so eventually he got away from me.

AR + Riposte meant I was beating the hell out of the warrior, but then the druid just chain cycloned me until AR was over.

I guess I just need to find a new strat, but on a first test run, AR/prep failed just as much as pure combat against that team.



Mind you, we ran into a SL Warlock/Pld too... and boy, that one was fun. 3 point CS + Hemo + Hemo = 5 point EA, followed by AR/BR/S&D. He fear, I trinket. He curse of Ex, I sprint. He get BoF, I stun and stick on him. AR stop, I vanish, re-CS, prep, re blow everything and wham... dead warlock.

So it wasn't all bad... but we always beat pld/warlock anyway, so it didn't really feel like an accomplishement.

I really wanna come back now :(


This is like the rogue patch I have always wanted.

Shadowstep changes galvanized my playing attempts at this game: I'm actually excited to play WoW again.

They might be something to shadowstep - you're getting 5/5 Deadlyness and Sinister Calling, both which will greatly increase your special attack and white damage.

Instead of going 31/30, I went with http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhbEzbVt0M0RZxrfoGhRo.

While I don't regret Nerve of Steel... the lost in atk seems to be hurting me.

Not to mention that I'm starting to think this build is way to focused on taking out melee class (Riposte and Setup...)

Imp kick is a good talent, but never a necissity. Had to make some cuts to keep NoS, and that's the one that went.

It lowers the chance to parry and dodge by 2.5%.

That's a pretty solid dps increase for 2 talent points.

I rarely used kick for the silence effect, I used it mostly as an interupt. Now that silence are on DR, the spelllock + kick combo isn't as powerful as it used to be either.