My guild did Al'ar and VR on patch day (were doing Solarian but we had new people that blew us up a couple times, and he bugged out). The results are in on 19/42/0 vs 11/28/22. My gear between the two raids I'll be comparing is pretty much identical.
Al'ar
19/42/0: 600 DPS.
11/28/22: 788 DPS.
No differences in playstyle from one kill to the other. Killing adds in P1, killing Al'ar in P2. Didn't die on either fight.
Void Reaver
19/42/0: 733 DPS.
11/28/22: 734 DPS.
I did not have might for the Hemo kill. Our paladins tend to be lazy about buffing. So even with inferior stats, Hemo outperformed Combat Swords on the worst possible fight (bleed immune).
High Astromancer Solarian
19/42/0: 795 DPS.
11/28/22: 1194 DPS attempt 1, 1383 DPS attempt 2.
Completely and utterly owned. We got Solarian to about 50% both attempts. It's safe to say that my DPS would not drop a whole lot over the course of the whole fight, since Hemo is not cooldown reliant like Combat Swords is. I got Bloodlust on attempt 2, but not on attempt 1 (our shammy was new and didn't know to blow cooldowns early). Because of this, you can use attempt 1 as a lower bound, and attempt 2 as an upper bound. I also didn't get the Dirty Deeds buff at all on this fight. I did not DPS the adds in any way, either. I just wait for priests to spawn, and then lock them down.
So, the conclusion? It might be a bit early to call this, but on favorable fights like Solarian and Winterchill, Hemo is the sh*t. The vastly superior damage:energy ratio, combined with the very steady DPS make for a rock solid raid build. Tired of the cookie cutter 19/42/0? Pick up Hemo, you'll be glad you did.
As far as the debuff, with a caster heavy group, it was used up in about a second and a half. A raid could easily support 3 Hemo Rogues.
Edited, Nov 14th 2007 3:38pm by Nooblestick
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- 11/28/22: Raid Results
11/28/22: Raid ResultsFollow
Could you link the spec you were using for 11/28/22? Wowhead has since updated its talent calculator for 2.3 patch changes.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Flubgaurd wrote:
Could you link the spec you were using for 11/28/22?
I was about to ask myself. I can't decide if I'd rather have 2 points in Imp Evis or 2 in Murder.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I know this will pobably get answered when the spec is posted but would swords or daggers be better for that build?
From what i can see daggers would benefit more from the Sub talents, but swords would probably get more damage from hemo.
Is this correct?
From what i can see daggers would benefit more from the Sub talents, but swords would probably get more damage from hemo.
Is this correct?
The Demea of Doom wrote:
Flubgaurd wrote:
Could you link the spec you were using for 11/28/22?
I was about to ask myself. I can't decide if I'd rather have 2 points in Imp Evis or 2 in Murder.
Murder for raiding.
Evis if you PVP.
RuinatorVek wrote:
I know this will pobably get answered when the spec is posted but would swords or daggers be better for that build?
From what i can see daggers would benefit more from the Sub talents, but swords would probably get more damage from hemo.
Is this correct?
From what i can see daggers would benefit more from the Sub talents, but swords would probably get more damage from hemo.
Is this correct?
Hemo is Swords/Maces/Fists for best results.
Nooblestick wrote:
My guild did Al'ar and VR on patch day (were doing Solarian but we had new people that blew us up a couple times, and he bugged out). The results are in on 19/42/0 vs 11/28/22. My gear between the two raids I'll be comparing is pretty much identical.
Al'ar
19/42/0: 600 DPS.
11/28/22: 788 DPS.
No differences in playstyle from one kill to the other. Killing adds in P1, killing Al'ar in P2. Didn't die on either fight.
Void Reaver
19/42/0: 733 DPS.
11/28/22: 734 DPS.
I did not have might for the Hemo kill. Our paladins tend to be lazy about buffing. So even with inferior stats, Hemo outperformed Combat Swords on the worst possible fight (bleed immune).
High Astromancer Solarian
19/42/0: 795 DPS.
11/28/22: 1194 DPS attempt 1, 1383 DPS attempt 2.
Completely and utterly owned. We got Solarian to about 50% both attempts. It's safe to say that my DPS would not drop a whole lot over the course of the whole fight, since Hemo is not cooldown reliant like Combat Swords is. I got Bloodlust on attempt 2, but not on attempt 1 (our shammy was new and didn't know to blow cooldowns early). Because of this, you can use attempt 1 as a lower bound, and attempt 2 as an upper bound. I also didn't get the Dirty Deeds buff at all on this fight. I did not DPS the adds in any way, either. I just wait for priests to spawn, and then lock them down.
So, the conclusion? It might be a bit early to call this, but on favorable fights like Solarian and Winterchill, Hemo is the sh*t. The vastly superior damage:energy ratio, combined with the very steady DPS make for a rock solid raid build. Tired of the cookie cutter 19/42/0? Pick up Hemo, you'll be glad you did.
As far as the debuff, with a caster heavy group, it was used up in about a second and a half. A raid could easily support 3 Hemo Rogues.
Edited, Nov 14th 2007 3:38pm by Nooblestick
Al'ar
19/42/0: 600 DPS.
11/28/22: 788 DPS.
No differences in playstyle from one kill to the other. Killing adds in P1, killing Al'ar in P2. Didn't die on either fight.
Void Reaver
19/42/0: 733 DPS.
11/28/22: 734 DPS.
I did not have might for the Hemo kill. Our paladins tend to be lazy about buffing. So even with inferior stats, Hemo outperformed Combat Swords on the worst possible fight (bleed immune).
High Astromancer Solarian
19/42/0: 795 DPS.
11/28/22: 1194 DPS attempt 1, 1383 DPS attempt 2.
Completely and utterly owned. We got Solarian to about 50% both attempts. It's safe to say that my DPS would not drop a whole lot over the course of the whole fight, since Hemo is not cooldown reliant like Combat Swords is. I got Bloodlust on attempt 2, but not on attempt 1 (our shammy was new and didn't know to blow cooldowns early). Because of this, you can use attempt 1 as a lower bound, and attempt 2 as an upper bound. I also didn't get the Dirty Deeds buff at all on this fight. I did not DPS the adds in any way, either. I just wait for priests to spawn, and then lock them down.
So, the conclusion? It might be a bit early to call this, but on favorable fights like Solarian and Winterchill, Hemo is the sh*t. The vastly superior damage:energy ratio, combined with the very steady DPS make for a rock solid raid build. Tired of the cookie cutter 19/42/0? Pick up Hemo, you'll be glad you did.
As far as the debuff, with a caster heavy group, it was used up in about a second and a half. A raid could easily support 3 Hemo Rogues.
Edited, Nov 14th 2007 3:38pm by Nooblestick
I remember you and RP mathcrafting it out last week, but I fail to remember which of 1/2 WE - 2/2 Dirty Deeds or 2/2 WE - 1/2 Dirty Deeds was better.
Salwrathis wrote:
I remember you and RP mathcrafting it out last week, but I fail to remember which of 1/2 WE - 2/2 Dirty Deeds or 2/2 WE - 1/2 Dirty Deeds was better.
Hence why I asked for a talent link.
MYteddy wrote:
Hemo is Swords/Maces/Fists for best results.
The new Hemo and 5/5 Mace Spec....Ouchies :D
Flubgaurd wrote:
Salwrathis wrote:
I remember you and RP mathcrafting it out last week, but I fail to remember which of 1/2 WE - 2/2 Dirty Deeds or 2/2 WE - 1/2 Dirty Deeds was better.
Hence why I asked for a talent link.
lol..you serious? His armory link is in his sig. Stop being lazy and click on it.
Salwrathis wrote:
lol..you serious? His armory link is in his sig. Stop being lazy and click on it.
Wasn't being lazy, was being retarded...
Thanks for pointing that out though. I'm trying to do a statistical geography assignment so my brain isn't exactly in the right gear.
S'ok man, we all have our moments. Some just more than others. ;)
Flubgaurd wrote:
I'm trying to do a statistical geography assignment so my brain isn't exactly in the right gear.
Statistically, geography is for losers.
Princess PsiChi wrote:
How hard is it?
Statistically, geography is for losers.
Statistically, geography is for losers.
Hard at 12am, 13hrs before your deadline.
Statistically I could prove you wrong, but only if I had payed attention in my lectures. And even then I would actually just be proving you right by attempting to mathamatically prove you are wrong. Call it a "Catch 22" if you will...
Oh well, I'll be laughing in the future. Global warming = more job opportunites for me. But I digress... erm, yeah, rogues & stuff...
Flubgaurd wrote:
Princess PsiChi wrote:
How hard is it?
Statistically, geography is for losers.
Statistically, geography is for losers.
Hard at 12am, 13hrs before your deadline.
Statistically I could prove you wrong, but only if I had payed attention in my lectures. And even then I would actually just be proving you right by attempting to mathamatically prove you are wrong. Call it a "Catch 22" if you will...
Oh well, I'll be laughing in the future. Global warming = more job opportunites for me. But I digress... erm, yeah, rogues & stuff...
Maybe if you found Jesus, global warming wouldn't have to be such a ***** for us all... and you could go home early.
I seriously, seriously doubt that you'd be able to find data that supports the statistical significance of global warming. Your entire "job market" is the product of buzz words and superficial political mumbo-jumbo.
I look forward to snickering at you as I pass by your cardboard domicile on the street some day.
I look forward to snickering at you as I pass by your cardboard domicile on the street some day.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I am considering trying the build but if this is for PvE, why the 5 points in MoD? Wouldnt you benefit more from the 5 points in opportunity on the garrote openers?
MYteddy wrote:
Maybe if you found Jesus, global warming wouldn't have to be such a ***** for us all... and you could go home early.
Jesus' Hemo crits you for 10 generations of Original Sin.
I'm Muslim so if I Jesus comes back anytime soon I'm pretty *******
Flubgaurd wrote:
MYteddy wrote:
Maybe if you found Jesus, global warming wouldn't have to be such a ***** for us all... and you could go home early.
Jesus' Hemo crits you for 10 generations of Original Sin.
I'm Muslim so if I Jesus comes back anytime soon I'm pretty @#%^ed.
And I quote:
Butters: Oh, I've been a bad bear. I'm a bad little bear.
Father: You're a grounded bear, mister, that's what you are.
The Demea of Doom wrote:
I seriously, seriously doubt that you'd be able to find data that supports the statistical significance of global warming. Your entire "job market" is the product of buzz words and superficial political mumbo-jumbo.
Dude, don't even get me started.
To put things simply:
Global warming *IS* happening.
Wether or not it is due to man is a different question alltogether.
The world has been ossiclating between glacial / non-glacial periods since it formed. It gets warmer / colder in statistically proven cycles. What makes you think it will stop now?
Quote:
The world has been ossiclating between glacial / non-glacial periods since it formed. It gets warmer / colder in statistically proven cycles. What makes you think it will stop now?
You'd understand my post much better if you weren't purposely being so dense.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Flubgaurd wrote:
The Demea of Doom wrote:
I seriously, seriously doubt that you'd be able to find data that supports the statistical significance of global warming. Your entire "job market" is the product of buzz words and superficial political mumbo-jumbo.
Dude, don't even get me started.
To put things simply:
Global warming *IS* happening.
Wether or not it is due to man is a different question alltogether.
The world has been ossiclating between glacial / non-glacial periods since it formed. It gets warmer / colder in statistically proven cycles. What makes you think it will stop now?
I really haven't done much research into it, but seeing just a few graphs over periods of time it is alarming. The huge spike in global warmth starting in the late 1800's to the early 1900's until now is humbling
.Flubgaurd wrote:
The world has been ossiclating between glacial / non-glacial periods since it formed. It gets warmer / colder in statistically proven cycles. What makes you think it will stop now?
this is hack joke #2. No need to go in to a whole political rant as well
Quote:
You'd understand my post much better if you weren't purposely being so dense.
Havn't got the time to go into all this right now thats all, but I do understand. If you want to actually have a real conversation on this, I'll PM you my MSN adress now & you can add me & we can have a chat at some point when I havn't got a deadline to work to.
Sorry Nooblestick for totally Hi-jacking your thread.
Quote:
I am considering trying the build but if this is for PvE, why the 5 points in MoD? Wouldnt you benefit more from the 5 points in opportunity on the garrote openers?
Reposting now that the hi-jacking is over.
what's your rotation? i understand hemo would be your cp builder in place of ss or muti. what's the finisher? ev?
how quickly do you build points? can you lock an npc down with this? i don't pvp really at all so only interested in pve.
intriguing build. the high numbers definitely make it interesting. i'd need to find some new weps though.
thanks
how quickly do you build points? can you lock an npc down with this? i don't pvp really at all so only interested in pve.
intriguing build. the high numbers definitely make it interesting. i'd need to find some new weps though.
thanks
Recent Visitors: 58
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (58)
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- 11/28/22: Raid Results
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC