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#1 Nov 14 2007 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Just started a new paladin, got him to level 16 now. I've used both a slow two hander and a sword/shield, and I have to say I enjoy the sword and board style better. It's fun fighting two mobs a level or two higher than you and finishing with most of your life left.

Everything I've read says to level Retribibution till lvl 35-40, using Seal of Command, which I haven't gotten yet, which works best with a big slow 2hander. However, I think I like the style of wading in with a shield and being nigh unkillable better. If I wanted to do mass damage while not being able to take hits myself, I'd roll a rogue. I don't know if I want to play a style I have no interest using until 35, so I can then finally switch to the reason I rolled a pally in the first place.

Obviously, the correct answer is "do what you like", but I was wondering if anyone else has had experience speccing Protection from the very start (lvl 10). How did it work out for you?
#2 Nov 14 2007 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
My response is going to be "do what you like". People in the forums usally ask for the most effecient way to level. The most effecient is to be ret until the mid-30s and then go prot. However, it is perfectly possible to be prot from level 10 on, and if you enjoy it then good for you.

I didn't level prot from level 10, I know some people here did, and they obviously got to 70 well enough. Prot aoe grinding just becomes so much better after you get some of the talents like reckoning and holy shield, and the talents before that don't help too much towards that end.

So in summary, does it work? Yes. Is it the most effecient way to level? Nope. Should that matter if you are having fun with it anyway? Nope.
#3 Nov 14 2007 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a game, enjoy yourself, do what you like.

That being said things do tend to go more smoothly if you level as Ret until 35. You level more smoothly, no question about it. If you don't find it too troublesome do it, if you ever feel you are going at half speed (which you will be) then go roll Ret, it is just 25 levels so to speak of grinding, give you an appreciation for a different build and it is kind of fun to get to 35 and be playing the same character in a completely different way.
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#4 Nov 14 2007 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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hmmm, how's this for a happy medium?

Maybe stay with retribution, but instead of a big two hander, find the biggest/slowest one handed weapon I can find and keep the shield. I won't do quite as much damage with seal of command, but it will still be a decent amount, plus I keep the benefits of having a shield.

I could live with doing 2/3 the damage of SoC as a bit 2hander if I can still wade through mobs in the process :)

Or am I just crazy?
#5 Nov 14 2007 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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hcddog wrote:
Obviously, the correct answer is "do what you like", but I was wondering if anyone else has had experience speccing Protection from the very start (lvl 10). How did it work out for you?


As you said, the answer is "do what you like". I leveled from 1-61 as Holy spec. While it was a bit (ok, more than a bit) slow, my healing power in instances and battlegrounds was what I was looking for, and I enjoyed it.

#6 Nov 14 2007 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
with the changes to exp in this game. it makes even less of a difference now. as your time in the lower more talent useless bracket is small indeed.

so just play how you like untill about 40+

thats when people will start to rely on good builds and people who can effectively play their class.

and even that is pretty forgiving untill 60+ when you must do at least some research and have a focus for your toon.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 4:24pm by RuenBahamut
#7 Nov 14 2007 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL

Doesnt work efficiently. You need a SoL/SoW active to stsrt thinking about aoe grinding. But if you want to try it get Brutish Riverpaw Axe(2.8wep speed), Shadowhide Scalper(2.9)or Callous Axe(2.8) are the best suited for this type of theory. I tried it while levelling a twink pally to 19 and although it was quite amusing i tossed it for a 2H.


Arthorius - 70 Human Pro(t) Paladin - Khaz'garoth
#8 Nov 14 2007 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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LOL

Doesnt work efficiently to aoe grind with SoCommand. You need a SoL/SoW active to stsrt thinking about aoe grinding. But if you want to try it get Brutish Riverpaw Axe(2.8wep speed), Shadowhide Scalper(2.9)or Callous Axe(2.8) are the best suited for this type of theory. I tried it while levelling a twink pally to 19 and although it was quite amusing i tossed it for a 2H.

Edit: actually dont even try it

Arthorius - 70 Human Pro(t) Paladin - Khaz'garoth

Edited, Nov 15th 2007 12:31am by arthoriuss
#9 Nov 14 2007 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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You really should play around with all three trees @ some point. However, Ret. shines @ low level and sucks monkey balls end-game. Prot. really starts getting good around your mid to late 30s and keeps getting better. Holy is in the highest demand because not as many ppl want to heal.
#10 Nov 14 2007 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
i have a lvl 40 pally prot have lvled him most the way up as prot at lvl 23 i think it was i went with a sheild with of blocking and then added a thorium shield spike. made lvling easy. then at 32 i got the shield from gnomer and added a thorium shield spike on that. used untill lvl 39 where i have the shield from sm cath. i love my prot pally only hurts when you get 3 casters that are 3 lvls higher. so if your wanting to do it from lvl 1-70 it is very posable to do so. besides soloing grab 2 mages a healer and some other dps then just kill like 8 mobs at at time. lvl 37 or 38 i was snagging 3 rooms in sm armory at a time and just chain doing my aoe if too many toss out the healing seal sorry dont rember name. peeps love a pally who tanks like that. fast runs are good.
#11 Nov 14 2007 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I leveled Protection from square one and never really experienced any of the "slowness" issue most people complain about. At the very least, it wasn't so significantly slower that it bothered me.

Ret is only superior for grinding solo from levels 20-34 (you can have Reckoning maxed at 34, not 35, if you do so before you pick up BoS, which I recommend). At that point, they more or less even out. You can further suppliment the leveling issue the same way healers do, by spending more time in instances than grinding out solo quests.

You don't have to play Retribution if you don't want to. Like everyone else, I would still recommend you stay Retribution until 34 at the earliest, but it's not necessary if you really, really don't want to. I didn't and I got along just fine.
#12 Nov 21 2007 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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As you stated, Do what you like. Enjoying the gameplay is the best part of your 15$.

That be said, I've lvled from square one prot. I've never tried anything else so I'm lacking the experience of my fellow pallys in that area and this is my first toon (my priest being my second... and yes I only have 2 toons).

Being a prot pally kicks. I would start this way and just enjoy the way the charater developes. With the new patch, just grab a friend and quest your way to the top. I understand the exp comes much quicker because of the changes made in 2.3. And actually I went from 50 to 51 with my priest really fast....

Anyway, I would stay prot. Eveyone loves a tank that can live forever!!!
#13 Nov 21 2007 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
I spent my first talent point in Prot with my pally. I never tried Ret, and didn't go Holy until about 64. I loved prot. I still miss it now and then, but I like healing more than tanking.
I never had any 'problems' with the early prot-spec.
Your choice, nuff said.
#14 Nov 23 2007 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I played ret from 1-60 and then went prot in the 60s and ended up holy, so Ive experienced all three specs. In my own experience, Ret is the fastest against a single target by a significant degree. However, there are many places in the game that offer multimob pulls, or, at the very least, give you the option to fight multiple mobs at once if you want to -- this is where prot shines, because you can be much more efficient when dealing with multiple mobs at once, and when leveling/farming this can close the gap in terms of what you net over time vis a vis a ret pally.

If you enjoy the sword and board and surivability as a playstyle, then clearly prot is the spec for you. It's no less viable for soloing than ret, but it just involves picking targets differently and approaching situations differently from the (very common in WoW) practice of trying to pull one target and deal with them one at a time. As a prot pally you want more than one mob at once so you can be more efficient.
#15 Nov 23 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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I went protection from the start as it fitted my character concept as a guardian/defender of the faith and it was great fun and no problem at all.

If you do't mind the not-being-top-elite hero then play how you want to enjoy yourself? I loved levelling as retribution (those who suggest waiting until 40 or so are saying this to be most effective as that is when you get Holy shield etc which is indeed a great boon to prot.)

:)

Enjoy!
#16 Nov 24 2007 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I was allso protection from lvl 10. I know it was not that overly effective - but I had more fun that way. Further I've been doing alot of tanking in instances - and the protectionspec made that alot easier :=).
#17 Nov 24 2007 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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I'm leveling from Protect all the way too. But I have a great guild supporting me and a few others at my level so I'm doing it ot be able to tank.
#18 Nov 26 2007 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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quick update: I took Retribution until about level 22, played with SoC for a while, decided it was way too inconsistent and I still died to easily, respecced to full protection spec and haven't looked back since.

Level 31 now with all points in protection and loving it. I was able to solo the Stalvan line of quests in Duskwood at lvl 28 when it was still red in my quest log and got a very nice 1h axe several levels early. Only time I die is if I get in WAY over my head (i.e. 5+ mobs my level beating on me.

I don't have Seal of Wisdom yet, but I'm able to take on a few mobs at a time now, just have to get life/mana back up afterwards.

All in all, this is why I rolled a paladin: an unkillable tank who is able to wade into crowds of bad guys and come out with nary a scratch. Fun times.
#19 Nov 26 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
Well I'm glad you did what you liked.
#20 Nov 26 2007 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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I have a 22 Blood Elf, been Prot since 10.

Constant Redoubt is incredibly satisfying.
#21 Nov 27 2007 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
Level 10. Back in 05. Never changed never will

Edited, Nov 27th 2007 9:06am by Borrgar
#22 Nov 27 2007 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
Just rolled my first Pally and he's up to level 11. I decided to go with Retribution 'cause of all the talk of quick leveling. I have discovered, however, that I get a certain satisfaction from healing folks (maybe I should go into medicine...hmmm.....)! So, I will probably stick with Ret until 40 or so and then go Holy. This should also make it a breeze getting in on some big instances! Yay!
#23 Nov 27 2007 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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darqueblueknight wrote:
Just rolled my first Pally and he's up to level 11. I decided to go with Retribution 'cause of all the talk of quick leveling. I have discovered, however, that I get a certain satisfaction from healing folks (maybe I should go into medicine...hmmm.....)! So, I will probably stick with Ret until 40 or so and then go Holy. This should also make it a breeze getting in on some big instances! Yay!

I... wouldn't really recommend it.

If you want to heal, just carry a spare set of healing gear on you. Throwing it on should allow you to heal every instance in Azeroth with ease. Leveling Prot instead of Ret is one thing, but leveling Holy is another beast altogether. Try to hold out until 60 at least before you go Holy. At that point, +spell/heal mail and plate becomes available en masse, so you could put together a passable Shockadin leveling/healing build if you really can't wait any longer.
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