Your pet is not on my top 5 priorities!!!Follow

"Maybe bear tanks"

Bear tanks have more armor than anyone else, so definitely a hunter pet will have less. But the rest of your statement is valid.

This does become less of an issue with Prayer of Mending. Every 10 seconds the PoM bounces between the tank and pet? Pure awesome.

Now I've played both a priest and a hunter, I've raided with both, I've done end game with both.

Firstly, from the priests point of view;

I've trashrun heroics without CC, it is perfectly possibly, if everybody knows their classes. Personally, I hate Crowd Control, I love the kick, the rush of administering the big hits the tank is taking. And a good tank can stack mobs without problems, as long as the dps knows what aggro control means. This means a pet offtank as a matter of fact never is needed. From my experience then the grps that insist on crowd control, is actually the slowest grps I've been in. Marks, make sure everybody picks up their target and god knows what else. Takes forever, where as tank runs in, gets 15 seconds to build up aggro, tops, where you just make sure to use your PoM, and fade right, so you wont pull aggro ofcause. There you go.

Your pet is not my priority. In the situations where there is cleave or the likes involved, a PoM will do wonders, else I will cast a renew. But that's it. I've met scarily many hunters who doesn't realise what mend pet actually is, and regardless of how much or little it heals, then you have been given your skills for one purpose only; use them. This means that if your pet takes damage, then you will damn well use mend pet, if you expect me to heal it. If I see you are flexible and a good hunter, then I will feel friendly and heal your pet, if needed. My priority is this in matters where everybody takes damage; Tank, Me, and then the dps who seems most likely to know what theyre doing. Why? Because I've seen a mage solokite 2 mobs in a heroic and survive, even when they could have one shot him, if they got close. The better your party is, the more skilled they are, the more important are they to keep alive, because they can pull through if things go wrong. Hence someone who just screws up in general, wont be a priority over someone who really does awesome, and might be able to pull the party through. I'm not saying I wont heal the "noob" (I dislike that word) just that he'll be lower on the priority.


From the hunters point of view;

I am greatful when someone heals my pet. I have played a priest for a longer while, in normals, heroics, raids both 10 and 25 mans. I know my pet isnt a priority, I know I cant expect it to get heals when things messes up. My specc is MM, with a few points in BM, for more armor and hitpoints for my pet. My pet is a cat, I've specced it for armor, hitpoints, avoidance and the likes. And the thing about cats not being able to tank is a lie. My cat can outtank several tanks. Mostly because good tanks are hard to find but still ;)

So if I expect my pet to take dmg, then I'll throw a mend pet on it from the first hit it takes, and keep an eye on it. I say thanks when the healer heals my pet, and I do my best to deserve the heals. This means I will frost trap mobs who comes running for the healer. I will instantly send my pet after any mob running for the healer, to taunt it off him/her. It usually works well that way, as the healer is greatful for me helping him/her, and I get heals for my pet, as it serves a purpose.



and on a sidenote; FFS. If youre a hunter in a group, then turn grown/taunt and the likes off! It is an annoyance as tank to have to taunt off the pet, and it is an annoyance as healer to deal with, so turn it off. If you dont your pet will most likely end up dead :)

When do you use growl/taunt then?
- when you are told to offtank something, and then you turn it off again after the mob is dead, so the tank dont have to fight you over the next mob, which youre not supposed to tank.
- when a mob is trying to eat your healer, then you can turn it on, send pet in, and taunt it off. The healer will love you.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2007 10:30am by Yasua

For the love of god, let this thread DIE!

"Let the pet die" is what I tell my healers. If my mend pet can't heal them fast enough I'll pull the pet back to me, drop a bandage, and then back to the fight. Mana should be kept for the tank and other party members. I enter every instance with 60x water & 60x meat. Plenty to keep my pet happy after he loses happiness from the deaths. Rez'ing the pets can be done while others are refilling mana, not that big of a deal.

My healer does sometimes drop a few to my pet when we are grouped. She usually heals me when I tank so she said she's used to healing my toons. :) But the pet should be last on the list of "who needs a heal"...

Edited, Nov 28th 2007 8:15am by Scolariman

I tend to only renew a pet during a fight and if I see it near death I will bubble it (disc reflective shield) to give hunter time to mend or first aid or whatever. If they can't save the pet with the free 30 seconds I just gave them, oh well.

They usually tell me how much they appreciate the bubble.

I've had this, quite a few times. When this happens I' let them know that I will if I can but Tank>group have priority.

The irony is on one occasion in Blood furnace the hunter said "Ok I will use mend pet"

Heh... yeah, there we go.

Edited, Dec 11th 2007 6:26am by Coxxxy

Oh god, the priest/pet issue has finally reached the boards... It took a while, didn't it!

My priest heals pets, simple as that. However, not if;

- The hunter keeps yelling me to heal his pet rather then DPSing when he's supposed to DPS and or isn't replacing his frost traps.
- The hunter refuses to use Mend Pet out of combat.
- The hunter sends in his pet on the tanks target and keeps growl on.

Like it was said before; going into an instance and deciding in advance is immature and short sighted and pets are usefull, so treat them like rogues; in the rare occasion they get damage, throw them a HoT of a small heal.

Hunters; most priests that reach lvl 40+ know what they are doing. Don't create HLP PETZ PLZ! macro's and above all else, please, just don't tell us your pet is more important then the tank.

Hunter: My pet died! Why you not heal!
Me: I was healing the tank. this was a large group.
Hunter: My pet is tank to! Heal him!
Me: The pet is expenseable; he didn't hold agro from all 5 mobs, and he doesn't suffer from gear damage.
Hunter: NOOB!
Me: /ignore

And yes... that was a 70 hunter... Sometimes I just want to jump into cyberspace and hit people.

I look at pets and minions situationally. This means if pet is off tanking or very important to survival of the group they get moved up the list. Other then that, they are at the bottom. For raids I don't even see them, and that is how I want them. For party I do see them, they get my group heals and tossed heals when I can but do not expect it if the group needs it more. I also ensure they get my fort buff to help keep them alive.

Most good hunters understand that.

I've just had the pleasure of grouping with an exception hunter in Shadow lab. Time and time again he would pull mobs right back to me feighn death then who's next in line? yeah me. He wouldn't give the MT a chance to build agro I asked politely 3 times to let the MT build agro and stop kiting back to me. Not only does it create range problems for healing (tank at frond hunter at the back) but also the priest agro situation I noted above. I left the group prematurely said I cannot continue in this group wished them good luck.

Is this standard procedue for hunters?

so you are pissed because a hunter, who had every right to ask for it, was trying to get you to do something curteous but you refused to and got bent because you were underleveled for the instance... Uh-huh.

btw, pets are members of the party especially for a BM hunter, you certainly didnt invite the BM hunter to heal or something did you? its to dps, death of a hunter's pet is the death of a dps member of the group. As a druid I help heal pets as long as the main priorities (tank>CC>myself) are taken care of.

Ok now for some a less rude response.

The hunter should have healed his own freaking pet if not in combat and especially if its still at 70% hp. However you having 90% hp gives you little excuse to refuse, and even less excuse to be bent out of shape about it because you are a bit underlvled for the instance. Hunters got some decent love for their mend pet spell several patches back where casting it does not gimp your dps because its now a HoT instead of a channelled spell (though they also nerfed it by making +healing have no effect on it) So what Im trying to say is.

The hunter should have healed his own pet
You should have not gotten bent out of shape being asked to do so.



No it isn't so please don't lump us all in the bad hunter group, there are lots of bad players out there (like the shaman and paladin in my druid's BF group last night...) As for this guy he was just being stupid, resists on traps dont happen that often and a good hunter can usually adapt to a resist, especially if they are on the ball and dropping traps early enough to give them the refreshed cooldown (and your group isnt going insanely fast with pulls). Resists in any normal instance is really never a threat of death either and rarely warrants a FD especially when, as everyone knows, the next target is the healer. In heroics resists are far more dangerous but then going slower is what that is about. This is why hunters are often labelled as 'backup' CC because they cannot reliably keep something CCed like a sheep or a shackle can because of the Cooldown.

Edited, Dec 11th 2007 4:46pm by Lienna

I have 2 mains, a priest and a hunter, both running heroics and kara and about to start 25 man content.

On my hunter, I never expect a heal from any healer regardless of what spec I am.

On the flip side,

On my priest, I usually heal all pets as long as the group isn't in immediate danger. It keeps me on my toes.