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I recently started a mage and started to go frost because i told it was better for solo ing. But after reading a few post on the WoW site, they said frost wasnt worth it. So I'm wondering should i stay frost or go fire?
Dear OP;
I read this on Evertras' website...
The moral of the story is, be careful what you read on the WOW forums and be skeptical.
For the debate, frost vs fire, do which you feel you will enjoy the most. Both solo well. Frost is about control of a mob and fire is about reducing that mob to ashes. Both are a good kick-in-the-pants to play.
Edited, Nov 13th 2007 9:43am by ktangent
I read this on Evertras' website...
Quote:
Things learned on the mage forums:
1. Get to 60 (or 70), then you will understand
2. Magisters lol
3. “OMG 12000 CRIT†threads are rick-rolls
4. Most threads are rick-rolls
5. No matter how good your pvp rating is; you, your team, and your video still all suck
6. Anyone who has any trouble beating any other class, sucks
7. Your guild isn’t in the Black Temple, so you do not understand anything about PvE
8. “Is this build any good?†No.
9. Frost Mages are Republicans. Fire Mages are Democrats. Arcane mages are anarchists.
10. Mage dps is horrible. Warlocks and Shadow Priests and Rogues and BM hunters need to be nerfed
11. If you don’t out dps everyone else, you just need to LEARN2PLAY nooblet
12. Get a better guild imo
13. Why did you take mage talent X? It’s worthless
14. Your mage spec takes no skill
15. BLIZZ WHY DO YOU PUT SPIRIT ON MAGE GEAR
16. WHY DOES MY EVOCATION ONLY GIVE ME 500 MANA
17. HOW DO YOU EVER RUN OUT OF MANA
18. Blizzard hates all mages
19. Any set for the mage that Blizzard designs is destined to make your mage look like a clown, party favor, or trick or treater
20. In spite of all of it, people love their mages
1. Get to 60 (or 70), then you will understand
2. Magisters lol
3. “OMG 12000 CRIT†threads are rick-rolls
4. Most threads are rick-rolls
5. No matter how good your pvp rating is; you, your team, and your video still all suck
6. Anyone who has any trouble beating any other class, sucks
7. Your guild isn’t in the Black Temple, so you do not understand anything about PvE
8. “Is this build any good?†No.
9. Frost Mages are Republicans. Fire Mages are Democrats. Arcane mages are anarchists.
10. Mage dps is horrible. Warlocks and Shadow Priests and Rogues and BM hunters need to be nerfed
11. If you don’t out dps everyone else, you just need to LEARN2PLAY nooblet
12. Get a better guild imo
13. Why did you take mage talent X? It’s worthless
14. Your mage spec takes no skill
15. BLIZZ WHY DO YOU PUT SPIRIT ON MAGE GEAR
16. WHY DOES MY EVOCATION ONLY GIVE ME 500 MANA
17. HOW DO YOU EVER RUN OUT OF MANA
18. Blizzard hates all mages
19. Any set for the mage that Blizzard designs is destined to make your mage look like a clown, party favor, or trick or treater
20. In spite of all of it, people love their mages
The moral of the story is, be careful what you read on the WOW forums and be skeptical.
For the debate, frost vs fire, do which you feel you will enjoy the most. Both solo well. Frost is about control of a mob and fire is about reducing that mob to ashes. Both are a good kick-in-the-pants to play.
Edited, Nov 13th 2007 9:43am by ktangent
If you want a fast grind to 70 then go frost. Check the Frost AOE grinding videos out on the net and you'll see what I'm talking about. 50,000 XP per hour grinding pirates in Tanaris and with the lower XP needed per level with patch 2.3 will speed things up.
Google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-903331917281359369
Edited, Nov 13th 2007 11:01am by Scolariman
Google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-903331917281359369
Edited, Nov 13th 2007 11:01am by Scolariman
just started on a mage alt and from what i read fire was supposed to be the way to go atleast until lv40-50. however i felt it was so boring so changed to frost at 23 and the mage became so much more fun to play. you wont kill stuff quite as fast but you will get alot more options. and even with a aoe spec you will still be effieient enough to solo most quest.
guess it all just comes down to your personal prefrerence
guess it all just comes down to your personal prefrerence
ha ha. I did the exact same thing. I started as fire, but then switched to frost around the early 20s. My reasoning was that I had a harder time dealing with multiple mobs (i.e. 3 or more). Granted it was rare when I ran into those situations, but it still frustrated me. So I switched over to frost.
Now, on top of easily taking out 3+ mobs, I love practicing AoE. I still suck at AoE, but am learning.
Of course, I miss Pyro.....boo hoo.
Guess you can't have everything...
Now, on top of easily taking out 3+ mobs, I love practicing AoE. I still suck at AoE, but am learning.
Of course, I miss Pyro.....boo hoo.
Guess you can't have everything...
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Posted: Nov 13 2007 at 1:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you enjoy taking forever to kill mobs, frost mage is the way to go. Good luck with that!
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If you enjoy taking forever to kill mobs, frost mage is the way to go. Good luck with that!
Actually, fire doesn't kill a whole lot faster than frost at low levels. It isn't until you get some good crit and such that pyroblasts and fireballs really start to outdo frostbolts.
Case-in-point:
Rank 2 fireball: 31-45 damage + small dot (AVG: 38 / 2 seconds = 19 dps)
Rank 2 frostbolt: 31-35 damage + slowing (AVG: 32.5 / 1.8 seconds = 18 dps)
You will use your fireball until you learn your frostbolt, then use it. Once you get shatter, frostbolt crits start to be pretty nice. I actually think that there was a math thread a while back that showed fire to be more mana efficient than frost, but the main point is.... play what you like. If you wanna power level, see if AOE frost grinding is for you (it is *very* dull, except when you get resisted, then it becomes very exciting for a short time... ), if you want to level up with frost, go for it.
Sarcastic hyperbole is something we try to avoid here if possible....
I just switched from fire to frost over the weekend and I'm loving it. I don't AOE grind, but I love the way I have so much more control over the mob now. Between Frost Nova and Frostbite, I've had mobs die before they even got near me, and Ice Barrier's my new best friend. I don't find I take that much longer to kill mobs either.
I guess the best way to know which you like better is try them both out and see.
I guess the best way to know which you like better is try them both out and see.
I actually prefer leveling as frost, i had a gnome fire mage at one point, and hated fire.
Fire might be better in higher levels with much more spell damage, but at lower levels i found it hideously droll
Fire might be better in higher levels with much more spell damage, but at lower levels i found it hideously droll
I've tried fire both on my mage (at level 50 ish) and a friends mage (65) and didn't really take to it.
It's amazing if you get a few crits in a row, but other than that it feels very gimped to me compared to the control that frost has. Plus a few FB crits in a row and the mob isn't looking that healthy either.
I'd say go with what you prefer, I prefer the (slighty) slower frost method with high survivability, rather than fire, but all my characters tend to have a view towards survivability rather than being glass cannons.
It's amazing if you get a few crits in a row, but other than that it feels very gimped to me compared to the control that frost has. Plus a few FB crits in a row and the mob isn't looking that healthy either.
I'd say go with what you prefer, I prefer the (slighty) slower frost method with high survivability, rather than fire, but all my characters tend to have a view towards survivability rather than being glass cannons.
At low levels frost and fire do work about the same, I guess fire does more damage, but I was out damageing fire mages up until I got to 70, because then the Fire Tailoring set is just stacked when compared to the frost set. However, frost is no less viable in end game raiding than fire. In fact, Arcane/Frost (40/0/21) like my spec is freaking amazing when backed up with some nice gear.
I have no problem holding my own with fire mages, especially when they have to sit and drink twice while I still have a hefty mana pool. With all the arcance talents for increasing mana and mana regen, Arc/Frost is a very good build of long fights.
Just my 2 cents. I have never been fire as I have always despised its mana hungry spells. So I can't say anything about a fire spec, only that I know what I have seen in many many many instance runs.
I have no problem holding my own with fire mages, especially when they have to sit and drink twice while I still have a hefty mana pool. With all the arcance talents for increasing mana and mana regen, Arc/Frost is a very good build of long fights.
Just my 2 cents. I have never been fire as I have always despised its mana hungry spells. So I can't say anything about a fire spec, only that I know what I have seen in many many many instance runs.
compgenius wrote:
At low levels frost and fire do work about the same, I guess fire does more damage, but I was out damageing fire mages up until I got to 70, because then the Fire Tailoring set is just stacked when compared to the frost set. However, frost is no less viable in end game raiding than fire. In fact, Arcane/Frost (40/0/21) like my spec is freaking amazing when backed up with some nice gear.
I have no problem holding my own with fire mages, especially when they have to sit and drink twice while I still have a hefty mana pool. With all the arcance talents for increasing mana and mana regen, Arc/Frost is a very good build of long fights.
Just my 2 cents. I have never been fire as I have always despised its mana hungry spells. So I can't say anything about a fire spec, only that I know what I have seen in many many many instance runs.
I have no problem holding my own with fire mages, especially when they have to sit and drink twice while I still have a hefty mana pool. With all the arcance talents for increasing mana and mana regen, Arc/Frost is a very good build of long fights.
Just my 2 cents. I have never been fire as I have always despised its mana hungry spells. So I can't say anything about a fire spec, only that I know what I have seen in many many many instance runs.
stopping to drink isn't too big of a deal in raiding/instances, that is what the breaks are for inbetween the pulls/etc. With a good crit % and master of elements fire mages actually get some decent mana efficiency. If you toss a shadow priest in their group (as I have been getting lately) I rarely even need to use a pot for a decently long fight (7-8 minute Gruul, etc). That and the 10/48/3 just scales better overall with more spelldmg than an arcane-based build. For frost, past 900 frost damage (without mind mastery) 10/0/51 or 2/0/59 is better for dps.
Edited, Nov 19th 2007 11:56pm by Anobix
"Fire might be better in higher levels with much more spell damage, but at lower levels i found it hideously droll"
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
Kalesu wrote:
"Fire might be better in higher levels with much more spell damage, but at lower levels i found it hideously droll"
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
You felt the need to resurrect this from page 3 for that?
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Kalesu wrote:
"Fire might be better in higher levels with much more spell damage, but at lower levels i found it hideously droll"
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
Do you even know what droll means?
I also have switched between fire and frost many times.. I find frost just way more useful, for only a small drop in dps.
You felt the need to resurrect this from page 3 for that?
At least he didn't resurrect it from page 35 like one person did in the hunter forums a couple months back =p anyway. Yeah resurrecting posts for very unimportant tid bits seems kind of rediculous.
"Droll" is actually a form of light satire, usually involving puppets. Something of a Victorian England fad if I remember correctly.
I think he got it mixed up with "dull". Pointless post bumps FTW!
I think he got it mixed up with "dull". Pointless post bumps FTW!
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