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#1 Nov 13 2007 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
With the move of Improved intercept and death wish to the arms tree, has this now become the true PvP tree of warriors?
#2 Nov 13 2007 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
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always has been... MS is the pvp ability for warriors. it's been in arms, and as long as it's in arms, arms will be THE pvp spec for warriors.
#3 Nov 13 2007 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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As someone who's just levelling up warrior, both of these changes have really hurt me. I was speced for Mortal Strike before, dumping left over points into Tactical Mastery and then random stuff in the fury tree. Improved Intercept is total crap for me, and not having Sweeping Strikes is going to hurt since it was a great way to take on large groups of mobs relatively safely. So now I'm faced with the choice of either a) Deal with it and take an ability that's total crap (II) so I can get Mortal Strike, or b) Completely redo my entire build and switch to a mostly Fury build.

I'm not too excited about the prospect of not having Mortal Strike anymore, although I guess Bloodthirst is probably better for PvE anyway so I'll just have to get used to it.
#4 Nov 13 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
Will we have to re-spec to add these "new-to-arms" abilitys?
#5 Nov 13 2007 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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and not having Sweeping Strikes is going to hurt since it was a great way to take on large groups of mobs relatively safely.


True, but so is Death Wish. SS is probably a bit better for grinding, though.
#6 Nov 15 2007 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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duvar wrote:
I'm not too excited about the prospect of not having Mortal Strike anymore, although I guess Bloodthirst is probably better for PvE anyway so I'll just have to get used to it.


I dumped Arms/2H for Fury/DW in my 50s after BC but 10 levels before 2.3.

I am very happy with the changes. With a heavy Fury spec, I boost my AP a lot to fuel Bloodthirst, so I don't mind not having a powerful 2H for Mortal Strike. And with WW hitting with both weapons I'm likely to use that more on single targets. And when I take 2 or more I'm glad to have sweeping strikes back. When I was arms I tried to do the SS/Berserker Stance/Bloodrage/WW thing. Always a pain.

At first I was a little bummed about not being able to intercept more often. But I didn't use deathwish much for PvE, and I use Sweeping Strikes a lot more.

#7 Nov 15 2007 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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From what I've been seeing and have been playing around with in terms of spec, 2.3 basically makes Arms the PvP and Fury the PvE spec, regardless of preference to 2h or DW?
I prefer 2h weapons after trying out DW and not liking it. Any suggestions on a good 2h PvE spec so I can make my 15g respec worthwhile? My warrior is currently level 40 and would like something that would work now as well as a projection to 70. I was previously Arms, respeced full arms for MS at 40 and not particularly liking my build; could be because I screwed up or could be because a talent that was there that I previously picked out isn't there anymore (not necessarily the swap of the 21-point ones, something else). I don't plan on doing much PvP at all, maybe 1-2 AVs for something at 51.
#8 Nov 15 2007 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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PvE 2h spec (No PvP)

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No, rampage > deathwish. don't think about switching for it.



Edited, Nov 15th 2007 8:02am by devioususer
#9 Nov 15 2007 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you very much Devious.
#10 Nov 15 2007 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
devioususer wrote:
PvE 2h spec (No PvP)

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No, rampage > deathwish. don't think about switching for it.



Edited, Nov 15th 2007 8:02am by devioususer


Totally different from my spec, but I'm built more for pvp. I've been doing a lot of pve in this spec and I have to bandage frequently, but I kill obscenely fast.

Edit: by pve, I mean solo questing. Only instance I've done in my current spec was regular BM where I was tanking.

Edited, Nov 16th 2007 12:17am by Lorimath
#11 Nov 16 2007 at 1:12 AM Rating: Good
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Arms have always been the true PvP tree, that I agree whole heartedly. The big burst damage that you're capable of is insane and that is what is important in PvP. I know that my current gear as good as a lot of other warrios out there but I'm still able to dish out 3 - 4k damage in one burst, if I get lucky.

Charge > Normal Swing (crit) > MS (crit) > Whirlwind (crit)

In respect to the shift between Sweeping Strikes, Death Wish, Improved Intercept and Weapon Mastery, I don't think it'll affect many warriors who PvP a lot since those are their bread and butter talents and would have put points in them regardless (To those who are about to do an armory check on me: I used to have Improved Intercept but switched to Improved Slam to give me that extra bit of damage when I do instances and I don't PvP as much now :P). Blizz didn't move them further down the respective trees which is good. But not being immune to disarms is pretty bad but the addition of new weapon chain is nice.

I personally do not see a big difference. I remember whining to my RL friends about the weapon mastery nerf and how they are nerfing warriors in general but after going through the threads and reading through the patch notes, I finally realised that this is not a warrior nerf but a buff instead.

That's just my opinion.
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