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I have a lvl 49 tauren hunter and it is currently specced in Beast Mastery. Now dont get me wrong i love being a beast master but i have heard from a multiple people that survival hunters are even better. Is this true?¿ Plz give me your opinions.
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I've found being a beast master is best, my pet can hold off the same level player effortlessly, and against mages and warlocks, he can kill roughly level 5-10 levels higher then him, then if you add me doing damage, it's defiantly a lot!
Look here please!
- There is no best talent build
- Each spec can hold its own. While you cannot compare apples with eggs you also cannot say that SV is better than MM or BM. They simply focus on different aspects of the gameplay.
- If you want to become a better hunter and see for yourself what works best for you, read the link above, try some things in game and come back without any "whutz best" question :-)
- There is no best talent build
- Each spec can hold its own. While you cannot compare apples with eggs you also cannot say that SV is better than MM or BM. They simply focus on different aspects of the gameplay.
- If you want to become a better hunter and see for yourself what works best for you, read the link above, try some things in game and come back without any "whutz best" question :-)
SV is the superior crowd control spec. With a high enough crit rating, it also produces significant dps at the expense of pet dps (from BM). As a level 70 SV Hunter, I can shut down 3 mobs off of a pull (2 x trap, 1 x Wyvern Sting). Compared to BM, I do not like SV for solo play. It's a completely different dynamic. It's certainly workable, but it involves a fair bit more effort and attention to detail.
I gotta agree with you on the fact that SV soloing kinda stinks. It's great and all that they scale pet threat with AP but what about crit for god's sake?!
Runnin 33 and sometimes 43% crit makes it absolutely impossible for a pet to hold agro unless you let him solo it down to 60% first :(
Runnin 33 and sometimes 43% crit makes it absolutely impossible for a pet to hold agro unless you let him solo it down to 60% first :(
Scholar
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The Caveat to the SV pet issues would be feign death, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I've worn the lettering off of the "0" key on 2 different keyboards...
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I started BM hunter and still am BM hunter, I wouldn't change my TP for anything. But that's just me. Do what makes you happy. If you want to solo more (which helps while waiting a long time for that "group" for whatever instance to get their **** together. Or days you cant find a group at all. BM will help you :)
Sonofsuave wrote:
The Caveat to the SV pet issues would be feign death, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I've worn the lettering off of the "0" key on 2 different keyboards...
that'd work but as fast as I kill these days I just shoot the **** out of it and then slam it with a big ol' two hander hit when it gets to me and that's it for the most part. I've just gotten used to no pet tank.
Scholar
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that'd work but as fast as I kill these days I just shoot the **** out of it and then slam it with a big ol' two hander hit when it gets to me and that's it for the most part. I've just gotten used to no pet tank.
To each their own, I just happened to level 1 to 70 as a MM so develoed that specific habit
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Posted: Nov 15 2007 at 1:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Depends on what you want to do. BM is good for leveling up to LV 70 and getting all your rep grinding outside of instances. MM just plain sucks in my opinion. SV is great for instances. What it comes down to is BM is pointless for end-game material. No matter how many points you put into BM, when running through Kara or BT your pet will get slaughtered. It is just a waste of points. Assuming you want to participant in end-game material, I would put a majority of your point in SV and about 10(20 at the most) points in MM. This allows you to get aim shot with 10 points. Two things this does for you when switching to SV. Your agil will go up (crit rates was about 4% higher than any other build) I started at 22% once I switched over (compared to 17-19% with any other build). Secondly, the additional time that you get on your traps is great in instances. You can freeze trap and still have enough time to lay another one before he breaks it. SV is clearly my favorite spec. I know people will mention that you can't grind like you would be able to with BM, but I disagree. It just changes how you fight. You typically use you traps and feign death more often than you would with BM. Hope it helps
Use BM until you get to lvl 70. Then from there I would suggest you going in mostly Survival and some MM until you can get Scatter Shot is about where you should stop in MM and stop at Wyvren Sting in Survival. I respeeced to that build when I hit 70 and my AP went up a ton and my agi went up about 50.
joshbozarath wrote:
What it comes down to is BM is pointless for end-game material. No matter how many points you put into BM, when running through Kara or BT your pet will get slaughtered.It is just a waste of points.
Why is your pet taking damage in the first place? There are very few fights in Kara where I even have to use mend pet and he dies maybe once or twice in a week, and that is what improved revive is for. ;) Also, 41/20/0 is the highest DPS build there is right now. Even with my pet dead I easily out DPS almost everybody in our raid easily (stupid boomkins :X).
joshbozarath wrote:
Assuming you want to participant in end-game material, I would put a majority of your point in SV and about 10(20 at the most) points in MM. This allows you to get aim shot with 10 points.
Well, 0/21/40 for trapping or 5/20/36 for DPS are the standard builds for survival. Aimed shot is just terrible in every way other than it lets you put points into Mortal Shots or to use when Misdirecting or trap breaking.
joshbozarath wrote:
Two things this does for you when switching to SV. Your agil will go up (crit rates was about 4% higher than any other build) I started at 22% once I switched over (compared to 17-19% with any other build). Secondly, the additional time that you get on your traps is great in instances. You can freeze trap and still have enough time to lay another one before he breaks it.
Well, obviously agi and crit will go up when switching to SV, that is what it is based around. Chain trapping is possible with any spec, though survival does give you more oh **** buttons.
I've got nothing against survival, in fact I'd like to try it when I get a bit better gear. Just wanted to point out some problems I saw with your post.
Problems with his post? It was retarded from the first letter and onwards. BM being a waste of points in a Raid? Smacktard. I didn't think there was a single Hunter out there that didn't know BM/MM was the highest DPS build in raids.
Seriously, stop spreading stupid information as if they were facts.
Seriously, stop spreading stupid information as if they were facts.
OK FIRST OFF WTF ARE YOU THINKING!!!! BM is the best lvling build and the highest dps for the not-so-well-geared.
It is questionable that a super geared SV/MM pure dps build could out dps a super geared BM/MM build though, but who knows, I am just stating this because it was rumored when TBC came out SV was the highest dps if you geared it correctly.
It is questionable that a super geared SV/MM pure dps build could out dps a super geared BM/MM build though, but who knows, I am just stating this because it was rumored when TBC came out SV was the highest dps if you geared it correctly.
Ieatrocks wrote:
Aimed shot is just terrible in every way other than it lets you put points into Mortal Shots or to use when Misdirecting or trap breaking.
I agree to everything in your post but this. After patch 2.3 I respecced to the cookie cutter 41/20/0, which includes the new-and-improved Aimed Shot, and I have to say that being able to start a fight critting a clothie for 2500+ dmg, and then watching him frantically trying to heal himself while you shoot away the rest of his hp is kinda fun.
I haven't tried it yet, but I can think of some PVE moments where the healing debuff would come in handy too, like the 6-armed demoness-boss in Arcatraz.
Commonfury wrote:
I respeeced to that build when I hit 70 and my AP went up a ton and my agi went up about 50.
Well unfortunately, your AP and AGI needs to go up by more than a ton in order to make up for the 20% decrease in attackspeed...
My attack speed didn't go down any.... I checked.
Commonfury wrote:
My attack speed didn't go down any.... I checked.
Serpent's Swiftness:
Beastmastery five point talent
Increases your ranged combat attack speed by 20% and your pet's combat attack speed by 20%.
If you didn't take it as BM, you were an idiot. If you did take it and respecced Surv without losing 20% attack speed, you are still an idiot because you can't even read your character screen.
If you respecced from BM to anything not deep BM and you didn't notice a change in attack speed then... well, it might explain why you don't think BM is high on damage.
Edit: Damn you north and your posting while I'm posting and doing it better.
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 8:41am by Ieatrocks
Edit: Damn you north and your posting while I'm posting and doing it better.
Edited, Nov 16th 2007 8:41am by Ieatrocks
My hunter is deep arcane specced..but my dps os not too high..suppose i must change it to holy, i think
dorogodess wrote:
My hunter is deep arcane specced..but my dps os not too high..suppose i must change it to holy, i think
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If you specc Portal with a few points in water, you can make some money during peak times.
During boss fights
I have to respec to SV tonight. We have/had a total of 3 raiding hunters. Two BM and 1 SV (an officer). Recently the SV has decided to concentrate on college, as he should, and asked the two BM if one of us would spec SV.
Despite my love of the DPS charts, I opted to be the one to do it. Mainly because it is uncharted territory for me. I have never tried SV, I was MM and BM while leveling up. I would agree with others that BM is a better solo spec.
Anyhoo, respec/regemming for me this weekend T_T
Despite my love of the DPS charts, I opted to be the one to do it. Mainly because it is uncharted territory for me. I have never tried SV, I was MM and BM while leveling up. I would agree with others that BM is a better solo spec.
Anyhoo, respec/regemming for me this weekend T_T
Damned mage lexicon is sneaking up to me since I started playing mine again. :X
Monsieur Ebonspine wrote:
Anyhoo, respec/regemming for me this weekend T_T
(partially due to buffs, partially due to crits)
Oh, and SV puts out higher damage if you look at the bigger picture ;)
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