Points in Blessing of Kings -- Pointful, or not?Follow

it would be nice to see that test run for lvl 70 content.

however as a pally tank, there is only so much you can do gear wise before it starts becoming counter productive.

if a warrior choses to do a 5 man in tier 5-6 then great. you now have a overly rediculously good tank.

if a pally did that. . . i really dont think it would even work out. you would be OOM so fast and then lose your agro. ive already seen this happen to me in mana tombs. i can tank a group and not need a single heal. but i cant even finish the fight before oom.

so from that perspective, a pally tank should always have salvation im thinking. as you will need to down grade gear. possibly reducing your threat.

if an tier 5-6 warrior is tanking. i can see where salvation would be over kill depending on the team.

another thing i noticed is that the damage i did from 60-70 went up about 100 damage a swing/spell, maybe as much as 200.

my destro lock friends damage went up 2-3k worth of damage per spell. (yes i know this is terribly crude). given that i think salvation may also be far more nessassary then pre BC content also.

all that said, from my experience, every time i took that chance and gave someone a blessing other then salvation. it always ended with problems. most people who ask for other then salvation, are going to try go do as much DPS as fast as possible with no regard to threat. just to stroke their epeen.

locks can do it due to soul shatter. only it resets the 110%-130% threat table and they go for the next in line. which might never be the tank if people are riding the threat line right.

mages can do it due to frost nova. and i admit can do is safely if they know how to play.

hunters do it because of traps and FD, also messing up the threat table.

rogues can vanish, messing up the threat table.

once the mob is pulled, too much effert is required to fix it. its better and safer for everyone involved to just always use salvation. everyone can DPS far more relaxed, and in general, have much more fun playing their toon.

wow, really long post . .

yowsa! pally tank here. i went prot because of the lack of threat from almost all the tanks i've run with, including guild raids. now as a tankadin, aggro management in a 5 man is moot as long as i get the first hit. i did Heroic Mech before the patch with a Ret Pally and Elem Shammy...they never got to within 30% of my threat. to me thats a friggin test right there.

also note, 5man gear != raid gear. i will stack on the +spell for 5mans and be more conservative with the consecrates. if you are oom in a 5man then you are doing something wrong.

as far as other players' threat is concerned, a good player will dump threat periodically and not wait til they are close to the edge...so aggro bouncing should not be a factor EVER. the only exception to this is in raid when you need an OT to stay #2 and the dps overtakes his aggro, but a dump would send the aggro right back to MT or OT unless some other dps decided to be up way there too.

AW + shield pull + HS + JotC + Consecrate + SoR = 4-6k threat in the 1st 3 secs

Just wanted to chime in as a Warrior. A Tier 5-6 Prot tank is actually going to have trouble in a normal 5 man. If they are in Prot tier 5 and not DPS that is at least.

Like you will run out of mana from getting few heals, the Warrior will be low on rage from not taking many hits, and those few that get past being weak.

Warrior needs to switch to more DPS gear, or take off some just like a Pally would need to switch to more Spell Damage or take off gear.

You're thinking Mocking Blow, which does act as you describe. Taunt gives the Warrior equal Threat to the current target and forces the mob to attack the Warrior. If the tank is #1 on threat it does nothing, but if that mage gets a big Pyro crit, Taunt can easily be worth 10K+ threat in one GCD.

May as well chime in as a non-paladin. I play a shadow priest. In raids, I get salv. Always salv. If we have no paladin I cry. If we have 2 paladin I get salv and wisdom and this makes me happy. If by some miracle we have three paladins, then I also get kings. This is awesome.

The only dps that doesn't get salv are the hunters since they can feign death often to drop threat. Nothing does more for dps classes to up their damage than salv does if they are threat capped. Sure there are a lot of fights where threat isn't an issue because of the mechanics. But if it is a fight where I can stand in one spot and go all out, you better believe Salv is going to be better in the long run. Less threat = more damage. If I try I can run veryyyy close to our best tanks on threat in almost any fight, I shudder to think how limited my spells would be without salv. This is of course talking about my most aggressive spell rotation.

Yep. Warrior in Tier 5/6 means the only rage you get is from your autoattacks, which is... not much. The mobs don't actually do anything to you, but you can't retain them very easily either. You'll need to switch in a lot of DPS gear.


This is a terrible idea.

In any event, tanking has changed. Threat has not scaled nearly as well in the Expansion as damage did; typicially players are generating three times or more the damage they dealt in Naxx, and the tanks may only be doing 25% more threat than they did in Naxxramas (and honestly it's probably ~= if they used to use a Thunderfury). Salvation is crucial, pretty much period, and if it's not required then your DPS is doing a terrible job of actually dealing damage.

i guess my take on warrior tanks was alittle off. i guess thats to be expected as a pally tank, how on earth would i learn about other tanks if there should only be one tank per team. meh.

if your running oom in a 5 man, its a good sign you should start doing heroics.

that is of course your not running oom due to reasons involving your play skill.

Only hunters I have partied with several times and that I know they know what they are doing get Might. The rest get salv cause most of the ones I've seen don't FD at the right time, or they FD cause their trap broke early and they can't do it again later, or they just can't handle their aggro. The concern is they won't be able to pull the trapped target off me when I AS a group. If I have to have a trap, I will try to make sure that AS won't hit that target.

I had a Lock when I was doing Heroic Mech. At one point in the instance, before we went down the steps, he was wining about wanting kings instead of Salv. I told him no, and not to ask again since I make no exceptions for Warlocks. He begrudgingly accepted.

Later, we were fighting the destroyers and he went all out and pulled aggro, and we all wiped. I said to him "...And you wanted kings." to which he replied "Point taken".