first time in kara ast night, attumen down pretty easy though it was slow due to one of our DPS needing to heal.... anyway back on topic, one of our hunters that came along was only doing 230ish DPS, I know DPS meters arent all that accurate but i think it should be higher than that. So could you please reveiw his build/stats and post some constructive comments to work on, thanks in advance.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dath%27Remar&n=Ovibos
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One of my guild's hunters need help (I think)Follow
First of all, his spec is pure crap for anything but soloing.
Second His shoulders, cloack, chest, bracers, gloves, belt, boots and both his rings need to be replaced.
Thirdly, his gear is mostly unenchanted and many things are also badly gemmed.
Simple conclusion: Do NOT allow him anywhere near karazhan.
Especially since his belt shows he hasnt got much understanding of the hunter class and nearly every other piece of his gear is below par.
So let him read my pre-raid topic (see link in sig) and dont allow him or anyone else into karazhan before they have all lvl 68+ blues gemmed and enchanted to the top.
Along with a pve oriented spec and knowledge of their own class and bosstactics.
At least thats my opinion.
Second His shoulders, cloack, chest, bracers, gloves, belt, boots and both his rings need to be replaced.
Thirdly, his gear is mostly unenchanted and many things are also badly gemmed.
Simple conclusion: Do NOT allow him anywhere near karazhan.
Especially since his belt shows he hasnt got much understanding of the hunter class and nearly every other piece of his gear is below par.
So let him read my pre-raid topic (see link in sig) and dont allow him or anyone else into karazhan before they have all lvl 68+ blues gemmed and enchanted to the top.
Along with a pve oriented spec and knowledge of their own class and bosstactics.
At least thats my opinion.
Heh, his specc looks almost like my own preferance for ultimate soloing, and even I make sure everyone I talk to about it knows that it is completely and utterly useless for everything else. There are tons of speccs out there he can use, and some of those are linked in Atheinn's Pre-raid gearlist.
I personally use 5/20/36 for pure raiding, but 0/21/40 would be best in his case for Fiveman running and raiding combined. He would need to up his Agility by around 100 though, before I'd even let him into Heroics, not to mention Karazhan/Gruul. Hell, 150.
Other than that, Eathain had the rest covered pretty well, except that he is overly elitist when it comes to required stats for Hunters in Karazhan. Just have your Hunter swap out some gear, regem them for full Agility/Attack Power depending on his respecc, and have them fully enchanted.
I personally use 5/20/36 for pure raiding, but 0/21/40 would be best in his case for Fiveman running and raiding combined. He would need to up his Agility by around 100 though, before I'd even let him into Heroics, not to mention Karazhan/Gruul. Hell, 150.
Other than that, Eathain had the rest covered pretty well, except that he is overly elitist when it comes to required stats for Hunters in Karazhan. Just have your Hunter swap out some gear, regem them for full Agility/Attack Power depending on his respecc, and have them fully enchanted.
First off tell him AP > Agi (> crit). His aim should also be 1.3k AP unbuffed.
If you really wanna help him, download Recap (damage meter) and check how much of his damage done is steady shot. If it's less than 20%, tell him to straighten out his shot rotation. If he's using Aimed Shot to a greated extent, tell him to stop.
Tell him to straighten out his talents. Spirit Bond is probably the second worst talent in the BM tree (second only to Imp. AtoM). He NEEDS to put those two points into Bestial Discipline.
Get rid of the greens! Nice shoulders drop in SV, Botanica and BM (all normal mode), on the top of my head. Use atlas, farm instances. From the look of him, he hasn't even tried to put any effort in gearing up. Now, don't get me wrong, I can pull 500 DPS in leveling greens. But is he's pulling less than half that, he can't be using skill to compromize for gear.
Unless he insists on going BM/SV, tell him to go BM/MM. You get more than enough CC utility from 2x Beast Lord.
Keep two separate gears; one for PvP and one for PvE. A skilled hunter will never get aggro on a normal fight (read: one without any aggro resets or other) due to Feign Death. This makes Stamina expendable for AP, although you should have at least 6k HP.
He seems pretty lost in his class, but this is what I can think of atm. Any further questions, don't hesitate to ask.
If you really wanna help him, download Recap (damage meter) and check how much of his damage done is steady shot. If it's less than 20%, tell him to straighten out his shot rotation. If he's using Aimed Shot to a greated extent, tell him to stop.
Tell him to straighten out his talents. Spirit Bond is probably the second worst talent in the BM tree (second only to Imp. AtoM). He NEEDS to put those two points into Bestial Discipline.
Get rid of the greens! Nice shoulders drop in SV, Botanica and BM (all normal mode), on the top of my head. Use atlas, farm instances. From the look of him, he hasn't even tried to put any effort in gearing up. Now, don't get me wrong, I can pull 500 DPS in leveling greens. But is he's pulling less than half that, he can't be using skill to compromize for gear.
Unless he insists on going BM/SV, tell him to go BM/MM. You get more than enough CC utility from 2x Beast Lord.
Keep two separate gears; one for PvP and one for PvE. A skilled hunter will never get aggro on a normal fight (read: one without any aggro resets or other) due to Feign Death. This makes Stamina expendable for AP, although you should have at least 6k HP.
He seems pretty lost in his class, but this is what I can think of atm. Any further questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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Also tell him that having bracers for a level 57..NOT GOOD!
Level 57 bracers?
Maybe he's a nice guy and just doesn't really understand. If he's running 230ish dps with his tooltip dps at 263 I'm wondering if he's using anything other than auto-shot.
Personally, I would bench him until he had met the guidelines offered by some of the other people who responded here already. I would be reluctant to bring someone in that gear along on a non-heroic 5-man.
Maybe he's a nice guy and just doesn't really understand. If he's running 230ish dps with his tooltip dps at 263 I'm wondering if he's using anything other than auto-shot.
Personally, I would bench him until he had met the guidelines offered by some of the other people who responded here already. I would be reluctant to bring someone in that gear along on a non-heroic 5-man.
This guy is sortof a wierd anomaly type thing. He is geared really funny, its like he is divided between gearing for SV and BM, if he could choose one and gear accordingly he would be pretty well off. (Its like hes 50% 50% and if he dropped one it would be 100%)
Also he is soloing speced.
Refer him to atheins list and also educate him on shot rotation.
Goodluck!
Also he is soloing speced.
Refer him to atheins list and also educate him on shot rotation.
Goodluck!
He's at 11% crit...
If he is going for pvp, he can keep the BM tree (with alterations) and then go down the MM tree, because with his gear and his spec, he isnt going to kill anyone or stay alive long enough to help his team.
(if he's staying BM...)
Talents he needs to get rid of:
Catlike Reflexes & Spirit Bond
Talents he needs to gain:
Lethal Shots & Go for the Throat
If he knew what he was doing (and picked up another piece of the Beast Lord set), he could easily be the main CC for your kara raid. He enchanted, geared, and specced (almost) right for it. It would be better for your raid group to pick up a dps specced and geared hunter who know how to chain trap.
Edited, Nov 11th 2007 7:04pm by DukyFrodo
If he is going for pvp, he can keep the BM tree (with alterations) and then go down the MM tree, because with his gear and his spec, he isnt going to kill anyone or stay alive long enough to help his team.
(if he's staying BM...)
Talents he needs to get rid of:
Catlike Reflexes & Spirit Bond
Talents he needs to gain:
Lethal Shots & Go for the Throat
If he knew what he was doing (and picked up another piece of the Beast Lord set), he could easily be the main CC for your kara raid. He enchanted, geared, and specced (almost) right for it. It would be better for your raid group to pick up a dps specced and geared hunter who know how to chain trap.
Edited, Nov 11th 2007 7:04pm by DukyFrodo
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First off tell him AP > Agi (> crit). His aim should also be 1.3k AP unbuffed.
Agility is Greater than AP for Surv Hunters, so depending on what spec he goes for raiding, woudl difine that fact.
BM and MM AP>Agil, SV- Agil> AP
He's also sitting at approximately 2k over the minimum HP for a kara-geared hunter.
Tell him to enchant his bracers and gloves with assault (will net him 50AP), cloak with 12 agi, and ditch the clefthide leg armor in favor of a cobrahide. He really needs to up the AP and as a BM hunter, he is probably going to want to use the steady-shot/auto-shot/kill-command macro listed in the sticky.
There are a LOT of little things he can work on, but I was sitting at 1100AP at level 61 if that tells you anything. He's got a ways to go. :) Hope this helps!
Tell him to enchant his bracers and gloves with assault (will net him 50AP), cloak with 12 agi, and ditch the clefthide leg armor in favor of a cobrahide. He really needs to up the AP and as a BM hunter, he is probably going to want to use the steady-shot/auto-shot/kill-command macro listed in the sticky.
There are a LOT of little things he can work on, but I was sitting at 1100AP at level 61 if that tells you anything. He's got a ways to go. :) Hope this helps!
Thanks, this is the kinda stuff I need to help him, I'll direct him and my RL here when I get on... If he gets in after this I dont know what I'll do
I thaught the stats were a bit low so thanks for confirming it.
P.S-I didnt notice the bracers.... god... I hope my RL takes this seriously O.o
EDIT: spelling lol
Edited, Nov 11th 2007 10:25pm by Imtar
I thaught the stats were a bit low so thanks for confirming it.
P.S-I didnt notice the bracers.... god... I hope my RL takes this seriously O.o
EDIT: spelling lol
Edited, Nov 11th 2007 10:25pm by Imtar
Okay, not to derail... but I just noticed that your guild is ALL taurens. Is that right?
Not that there is anything wrong with taurens, but I'd think that would limit you a bit as there are no pallies, no warlocks, and no priests? Perhaps that's me being irrational in my current sleep-deprived state, but it would seem illogical to me for you to judge him on efficiency when the current setup of your guild is anything but?
Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just making a casual observation, and I may be way off base.
Not that there is anything wrong with taurens, but I'd think that would limit you a bit as there are no pallies, no warlocks, and no priests? Perhaps that's me being irrational in my current sleep-deprived state, but it would seem illogical to me for you to judge him on efficiency when the current setup of your guild is anything but?
Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just making a casual observation, and I may be way off base.
Heh. We cleared Molten Core back pre-tbc with nothing but Night Elves. It is possible. Just not something I'd recommend anyone with a low tolerance for wiping and so on. With the right kind of people, it's a laugh-fest of major proportions. Funniest raid I've ever been in, watching all those tanks bounce around on Garr's adds.
Caldone the Shady wrote:
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First off tell him AP > Agi (> crit). His aim should also be 1.3k AP unbuffed.
Agility is Greater than AP for Surv Hunters, so depending on what spec he goes for raiding, woudl difine that fact.
Aye, when I wrote that he was specced BM though.
I find it curious that most people here say AP > Agi for BM yet people on TKA say the opposite.
Elustriel wrote:
I find it curious that most people here say AP > Agi for BM yet people on TKA say the opposite.
nah, we've come to the other conclusion now. see here
AP is better for beginning 70's.
edit: That was quick north.
Edited, Nov 12th 2007 12:17pm by Xsarus
AP is better for beginning 70's.
edit: That was quick north.
Edited, Nov 12th 2007 12:17pm by Xsarus
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Okay, not to derail... but I just noticed that your guild is ALL taurens. Is that right?
Not that there is anything wrong with taurens, but I'd think that would limit you a bit as there are no pallies, no warlocks, and no priests? Perhaps that's me being irrational in my current sleep-deprived state, but it would seem illogical to me for you to judge him on efficiency when the current setup of your guild is anything but?
Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just making a casual observation, and I may be way off base.
Not that there is anything wrong with taurens, but I'd think that would limit you a bit as there are no pallies, no warlocks, and no priests? Perhaps that's me being irrational in my current sleep-deprived state, but it would seem illogical to me for you to judge him on efficiency when the current setup of your guild is anything but?
Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just making a casual observation, and I may be way off base.
Your quite right, we couldn't raid as all taurens so we set up a kara group. but seing as the lvl70's didn't want to leave and we couldn't have non-tauren in the guild we made it so you didnt have to leave your current guild to join. We keep up to date with friends list etc, not as easy as a guild but we get through and it solves everything.
My GL says that they have cleared all 5 mans with an all tauren group but 10/25 would be too much.... i still want to try it though :P
Well, it's obvious what the Main issue is here!
He's a cow!
Come on people, seriously! When was the last time anyone saw a cow stalking and hunting anything!?!
He's just Meat and not the predator that is required to be a HUNTER!
He's a cow!
Come on people, seriously! When was the last time anyone saw a cow stalking and hunting anything!?!
He's just Meat and not the predator that is required to be a HUNTER!
This thread is just scary. Informative, but scary. My two main characters are 70 hunters and both guilds they are in are doing Kara. But neither of my characters seems to be anywhere near ready to take part in it. I guess it may just be a part of the game I’ll never see.
Calabar wrote:
This thread is just scary. Informative, but scary. My two main characters are 70 hunters and both guilds they are in are doing Kara. But neither of my characters seems to be anywhere near ready to take part in it. I guess it may just be a part of the game I’ll never see.
I'm glad he went out of his way for the gem bonus on that belt. every good hunter should have ample spell crit!
Being Kara ready is not difficult, it just dedication to the game and a basic knowledge of your class/ build for your enchants and gems.
Frankly, the guys gear is garbage for a level 70 doing raids. His talent choice is great for soloing or doing 5 man non-heroics for versatility. But for raids or heroics, you need to be more specialized in your build to really perfrom well enough to be worth a raid slot. His damage is going to be horrible compared to a full on 41/20 BM/MM DPS build. Even for his build and crappy gear 230 DPS is ridiculously low, When I was Kara ready (even with 2 greens still on me) I was doing between 600-750 DPS, now I can do 750-1000 or more DPS depending on my CD's and the boss we're fighting (phases where damage is increased).
Aethiens Pre-Raid gear list is by far the easiest way to know you're going to be Kara ready, it's a gimme. follow it and know how to play and your set, otherwise just give up now and don't plan on raiding.
I hate to say it, because i'm coming to the point in my real life where I might have to quit playing WoW, or at least doing end-game stuff, but if you can't or won't put the time into playing your class as well as you can in a raid slot, give it to someone who will be able to, this game may be about fun, but once you start raiding it's not just fun anymore, it's a commitment just like any other, either own up to the time and responsibility or just don't do it.
Frankly, the guys gear is garbage for a level 70 doing raids. His talent choice is great for soloing or doing 5 man non-heroics for versatility. But for raids or heroics, you need to be more specialized in your build to really perfrom well enough to be worth a raid slot. His damage is going to be horrible compared to a full on 41/20 BM/MM DPS build. Even for his build and crappy gear 230 DPS is ridiculously low, When I was Kara ready (even with 2 greens still on me) I was doing between 600-750 DPS, now I can do 750-1000 or more DPS depending on my CD's and the boss we're fighting (phases where damage is increased).
Aethiens Pre-Raid gear list is by far the easiest way to know you're going to be Kara ready, it's a gimme. follow it and know how to play and your set, otherwise just give up now and don't plan on raiding.
I hate to say it, because i'm coming to the point in my real life where I might have to quit playing WoW, or at least doing end-game stuff, but if you can't or won't put the time into playing your class as well as you can in a raid slot, give it to someone who will be able to, this game may be about fun, but once you start raiding it's not just fun anymore, it's a commitment just like any other, either own up to the time and responsibility or just don't do it.
Katchii wrote:
Aethiens Pre-Raid gear list is by far the easiest way to know you're going to be Kara ready, it's a gimme. follow it and know how to play and your set, otherwise just give up now and don't plan on raiding.
heading into any heroic and learning not to suck is a great way to know you are ready for kara.
learn not to pull agro and still top the dps then yer good to go.
learn not to pull agro and still top the dps then yer good to go.
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