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#1 Nov 11 2007 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
So I'm almost at 70 as a holy paladin, trying to figure out what to do with my gear. There are some great guides out there with advice, but my question is this-- I have my healing gear on here ----> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Enzati <---- and you can see it's a mish-mash of stuff, but altogether it brings me +887 healing. But my health/mana/armor are abyssmal. Would it be better to have less +healing and more stats/armor instead? I appreciate any advice, just want to be helpful when I'm out there healing people- don't want to wipe on my account!!

Thanks!

enzati

#2 Nov 11 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
Your gear isn't really a "mish-mash" of stuff, it's a ton of straight +healing gear and stuff you found in lower-level instances.

Well as soon as you hit 70, just start running the lvl 70 instances, you will get better gear just by doing that. You want to get over +1000 healing as quick as you can, after that focus on your crit and mp5, try to get an equal amount of both so that eventually your mp5 will be around 70 and your crit will be around 17%.

Once you hit 70, look around for good pieces of gear. Here's some suggestions: start running SLabs, as 2 pretty good healing chests drop there. Start running SH for the healing mace that's there. Grab a Crystal Pulse Shield off the AH. Start running Steamvaults for the Mask of Penance which drops there.

Until you get those pieces though, I would advise you to try to bring up your mana pool, swap out some of that +healing stuff for "of the Eagle" equipment where you can find it. Try not to let your +healing suffer too much, however, don't be surprised if you end up with ~8k mana and 600 healing for a bit until you get some better gear.

I would also advise a full respec once you hit 70 as well. Your talents are not very well speant.
#3 Nov 11 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
Thank you so much for the advice, it's very particular and gives me a way to go. I only wonder about the talent spec, what should I change it to be a better healer? Thanks again!

-enzati
#4 Nov 11 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
Blarg, this makes number 7 of these I've had to do. I don't have time right now but I'll post a full listing of talent changes, gear upgrades, everything a little later today.
#5 Nov 11 2007 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
As promised...

Talents: Drop imp seal of righteousness, you're not going to be DPSing. Drop blessed life, I've never heard of it saving anyone's life. Pick up aura mastery, there are lots of fights where you will be at max range, and if you are your aura's won't reach your heal target. Pick up lay on hands, there are fights that this can save your whole raid from wiping, if the boss hits extra hard. Pick up light's grace, its a must-have for healing, period. Anything else you have left over, free free to use wherever you wish.

Helm: Bleh, terrible. Never get greens of healing, it gimps everything else. Go get the helm from steamvaults.

Neck: Really not a bad neck piece. The PvP neck or the one from badges is an upgrade, but that one isn't bad.

Shoulder: Green of healing again? Bad paladin, no cookie. If you can get the shoulder from heroic ramparts, do so, but I used the leather healing ones from steamvaults until I was able to get the ramparts one

Cloak: That's really a priest healing cloak. See the spirit? Spirit on a paladin is about as useful as a warrior using a staff. Go get the one from sethekk halls until you can get enough badges to get the badge one.

Chest: EWWWWWWW more greens of healing? Is it any surprise you have the HP of a level 60 mage? STOP ITTTTTT. Go get the chest piece from Shadow Labs.

Bracers: You're KILLING me here with this green of healing obsession! Get farming and find yourself a blacksmith that can make Blessed Bracers. They were the first ever epic I had on my paladin and I've used them all the way to Black Temple. Needless to say they're worth any time you spend farming.

Glove: What in the world? I actually think this is WORSE than your green of healing. Go get the gloves from heroic ramparts, or if you can't do that yet, there are some decent cloth gloves off the first boss in Botanica, that can hold you off til you get the rampart ones.

Belt: Oh come on... really? There is a better belt you can get off the AH! You don't even have to run anything! Go get a Girdle of Divine Blessing right now.

Legs: Sigh. I'm not gonna even say it. You've got 2 real good options here, both quest rewards. One is from doing one of the Mana-Tombs quests, and the other is from doing one of the consortium quests to kill a blob up in netherstorm.

Feet: /cry just /cry. I ended up using some leather boots from the cache in mechanar, just because noone wanted to run heroic OHB.

Rings: Hey look you've got decent ring and a... /sigh. Go get some more honor hold rep, get to revered get that ring. For your second ring... Honestly, your crit is so bad I'd go with the spell damage ring from the first boss in steamvault, just for the crit. Then work your way untl you can get some heroics going and get that heroic badge ring

Trinkets: You've got the right idea getting a crit trinket, keep that one until you get revered with Sha'tar and upgrade it to a slightly better crit trinket. I'd really almost keep your other trinket because you're so crit starved, but once you upgrade the rest of your gear switch that for a Lower City Prayerbook.

Mace: You're a healer, not a dpser. Why are you using a dps mace? Go get the mace from Exalted Sha'tar, or the one from Shattered Halls, or the healing mace from mechanar. Do not get the crafted healing mace, its not worth your time.

Shield: wait... are you a paladin or a priest? I could have sworn paladins used shields and priests used offhands. This is one of the big reasons why your armor is so low. Go to the AH and buy you a Crystal Pulse Shield.

Libram: Er you know paladins can use librams right? Go do the nagrand nessingway chain and get the Holy Book of Nagrand.

If I seem a little harsh, I apologize, but honestly it looks like you TRIED to make the worst possible combo of talents and gear.
#6 Nov 12 2007 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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i personally leave out aura mastery and lay of hands
aura mastery is only one point it can be nice
lay of hands can be handy but if your in that much trouble odds are your gonna wipe anyways and the normal version is good enough for me.
i do pick up the unyeilding faith i resist so many fears with it the points are well spent.
light's grace is a good one
this is the build i use
healing build

the gear you have WOW!!! need to run some 5 mans and replace it all.
the necklace is the only thing half decent.
i can tell you avoided quests and instances on your way to 70.
Or grabbed all the ret gear getting to 70.
time to do a few :) your gear should be alright for starting instances.
i wouldn't go past sethek halls till you get some better gear.
your not geared out for a long fight.

hope some of these posts helped and welcome to the healing club :)
if you have some gold pick up a essence focuser and the healing sheild off the AH.
these should be cheap 50g each max and will help you out a great deal very quickly.
so you can get onto bigger and better things


Edited, Nov 12th 2007 3:24pm by SanitysEdge

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Edited, Nov 12th 2007 3:34pm by SanitysEdge
#7 Nov 12 2007 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
SanitysEdge wrote:
i personally leave out aura mastery and lay of hands
aura mastery is only one point it can be nice
lay of hands can be handy but if your in that much trouble odds are your gonna wipe anyways and the normal version is good enough for me.
i do pick up the unyeilding faith i resist so many fears with it the points are well spent.
light's grace is a good one
this is the build i use
healing build


That build is fine if you're going to be PvPing heavily, but is really not what you want if you're really into raiding. Since this thread is assessing healing gear, your own sacrifices a LOT for raw mp5. Your crit is meh, your +healing without your ring enchants is pretty bleh at best. You're built for sustained healing, but I imagine unless its a super-long fight, you're nowhere near the top of the healing charts. I preach balance of stats, and you're certainly not balancing yourself.
#8 Nov 12 2007 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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damn dude are you wrong
always at the top of the meters even when i go with another guild that is higher progression than our guild.
rank 7 holy light and max rank holy light i don't use flash of light unless something has gone horribly wrong like a 20 minute nightbane fight.
21% holy crit 27% holy light crit low? maybe but it seems to get the job done.
the 157 mp5 i find to be amazing. 1600 healing isn't that bad i can easily get it to 1800 but meh i'll keep the 30-40 mp5 instead. the high mp5 lets me spam holy light. if i could hit over 40% crit on a holy light i might think about sacrificing some mp5 till then i'm not.
and by the way i don't pvp much
i tank 5 mans alot though.
further note just starting SSC haven't actually killed a boss there yet just outta kara and gruul's
and a hammer won't drop






Edited, Nov 12th 2007 7:07pm by SanitysEdge
#9 Nov 12 2007 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
They're nerfing the coefficient to lower ranked spells in 2.3, using lower ranks used to be what people did, but with the changes to T5 and the coefficient nerf, all BT paladins I know have switched back to using flash of light. FoL has the best heal per mana ratio of any healing spell in the game.

Yes 21% crit is low, I had nearly that much pre-kara. If you're able to top the healing charts then that speaks for your personal skill, and I think you could improve it even more by balancing out your gear. I'm not gonna lie, when I was doing Gruul/Mag I was trying to do the Holy Light stuff too, but as I got into the longer fights (like tidewalker) I really found myself to be an inefficient healer, and so I switched my tactics. I have used multiple different ways to heal, different mods, etc. and let me tell you from personal experience, get a balanced gear set up and use the paladin's best spell, Flash of Light.

I think your health is also a bit low (not terribly), but I attribute that to your emphasis on mp5 gear. You're really not bad off, I just think some tweaking would really improve your overall performance.
#10 Nov 12 2007 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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are you armoring the right paladin
my armoryyour crit is the same as mine your mp5 is lower by a bit and 400+ healing on me 8k life 10k mana unbuffed
i heal in a way to use all my mana for a fight.
trash full rank holy life empty or close to it by the time they die.
longer fights i mix in more flashes and downranked holy lights.
yes they are nerfing it but i don't think it will go back that far.
if i flash of light only my mana will never go down just seems like a waste to me

Edited, Nov 12th 2007 10:47pm by SanitysEdge
#11 Nov 12 2007 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
My crit isn't the same as yours, I'm 5% higher. I completely understand your way of thinking, as I said, I did the same thing. If you plan to use up your mana though, you're really up the creek if something happens and you're having to heal more (or more people) than you originally planned. It gives you zero room for error. If you play efficiently you can make up for the occasional bad luck. I'm just trying to offer a suggestion of a result I got through personal experience, if you don't agree, that's fine, I won't tell you how to play.
#12 Nov 12 2007 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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i can see your way after 2k healing but flash don't hit hard enough to keep a tank up at 1600
#13 Nov 12 2007 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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SanitysEdge wrote:
if i flash of light only my mana will never go down just seems like a waste to me


But, isn't having mana a GOOD thing?? It was my understanding that's why Paladins are so great as healers cause of their mana efficiency. I have never heard of a Paladin (or any healer for that matter) actually trying to deplete their mana pool >.> So, did I miss something in all that?
#14 Nov 12 2007 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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i'm saying my mana will stay at full or close to it on flash of light
just seems like a waste to not use it.
on another note i've noticed that if i didn't spam holy light on some fights
in SSC we would have alot more people dead at the end of it.
i can't see how one paladin can keep a tank alive spaming flash of light
when he's getting hit for 4-8k hits. who do you use to take care of your spike damage?


Edited, Nov 13th 2007 1:52am by SanitysEdge
#15 Nov 13 2007 at 3:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Mmm, good point. I'm no healer, but I seem to be doing a lot of healing in our 25 mans recently, mostly due to a lack of healers, so that wasn't meant to be criticism if it sounded that way. Just trying to glean more info where I can so I can do a better job when I do heal :)
#16 Nov 13 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
As I've said multiple times, I've healed like that, its possible but leaves you zero room for error, which can get you in trouble. If people are dieing because you're using flash of light, then chances are you've got some other slacker healers that aren't healing enough. If you're on a fight that a tank takes spike damage of 8k then chances are you're not the only one on that tank, or you shouldn't be. Besides, just because flash of light becomes your mainstay of healing, it doesn't mean you've lost the use of Holy Light forever! You can still switch to holy light to throw big heals if needed, but most of the time stick to Flash of Light.
#17 Nov 13 2007 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
Dilbrt-

I have to say, I actually DID laugh out loud when I read your post regarding my equipment- it just cracked me up about the greens. Ok, I get it. Mainly I just bought that stuff off the AH not realizing that it's not ALL about the +healing stuff. But thanks to you, I understand and am now on a mission for blues. Thank you. ***enzati stands up and salutes dilbrt**

-enzati
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