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#1 Nov 10 2007 at 9:35 PM Rating: Sub-Default
I have decided to reroll a hybrid class. I would like to see if you can convince me to play a shaman despite all the negitivity. Thank you.
#2 Nov 11 2007 at 12:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Die in a fire.
#3 Nov 11 2007 at 1:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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#4 Nov 11 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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if it takes you convincing to play a class then it's the wrong one for you, play a druid or pally in that case.
#5 Nov 11 2007 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
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totemz?
#6 Nov 11 2007 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
Scracky wrote:
if it takes you convincing to play a class then it's the wrong one for you, play a druid or pally in that case.


What I am saying is that I like all 3 of those classes. I guess what I really meant was:
What is special about a shaman, and why do you play one?
#7 Nov 11 2007 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Try it out, thats all you can do. Like for example i cant stand playing a rogue but a cat druid suits me better. Its all in the person.
#8 Nov 11 2007 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
Well I really enjoy my up and comming shaman for several reasons. Support, they can heal and buff aswell if not better than any other class in the game and since the buff's are all greatly varied they can suit any situation that may arise. Dps, nuff said they are amazing in this respect if you play them right. I originally rolled a hunter.. well there are too many hunters I rolled a sham because almost noone plays them. If I get tired of a particular playstyle I can simply respec and do something different. Self res, 40 min with talents, so good, saves me much time.
Some cons, they have a really shallow mana pool, not really a big deal at higher levels but I do need to drink more often while in instances than my fellow players. They have no CC, can be a bit annoying in pvp as well as pvp, but I seriously doubt youll ever get passed over in a raid or 5 man due to it because our buffing and healing(even backup healing) is so good. Gear, our gear sucks, theres very little in the way of gear for us if you go something other than enhance, youll have a hard time finding gear thats designed for you and find yourself playing with gear for several levels longer than you would normally.
Try them all out, see which you prefer shamans dont really come into there own until around level 40.
#9 Nov 11 2007 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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As for shaman gear, wait until you hit outlands. I found that you have a hard time picking up a stick, spin in a circle and not hit any caster gear whether its resto or elemental.
#10 Nov 11 2007 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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pieeatingtroll wrote:
totemz?


ya, totemz r da reson i pikked da shamen. i liek heelin but its mor fun 2 do da dps u no?!

if u ned convins, i dun think u ned to play da shamen!!!

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Die in a fire.


There we go, that's a much nicer response. /agree
#11 Nov 11 2007 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
wait whoa wait... negativity? Since when have shamans sucked?

Elemental shamans are being nerfed for the sheer fact that we have
"too much burst damage" as in WE KILL OUR OPPONENTS TO FAST...

enhancement is extremely viable for raids because of the party buffs,

Restoration is wanted for pretty much every arena team i see not becasue they have extremly mana efficient and quick heals but because the heals have buffs

ONE WORD - TOTEMS, these are extremely mana efficient buffs for an entire party...

whomever is telling you that shamans are bad needs to be sh

Edited, Nov 11th 2007 5:08pm by Draeneipally
#12 Nov 11 2007 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
Draeneipally wrote:
wait whoa wait... negativity? Since when have shamans sucked?

Elemental shamans are being nerfed for the sheer fact that we have
"too much burst damage" as in WE KILL OUR OPPONENTS TO FAST...

enhancement is extremely viable for raids because of the party buffs,

Restoration is wanted for pretty much every arena team i see not becasue they have extremly mana efficient and quick heals but because the heals have buffs

ONE WORD - TOTEMS, these are extremely mana efficient buffs for an entire party...

whomever is telling you that shamans are bad needs to be sh

Edited, Nov 11th 2007 5:08pm by Draeneipally


ever heard of the shaman prostest?
#13 Nov 11 2007 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Draeneipally wrote:
wait whoa wait... negativity? Since when have shamans sucked?

Elemental shamans are being nerfed for the sheer fact that we have
"too much burst damage" as in WE KILL OUR OPPONENTS TO FAST...

enhancement is extremely viable for raids because of the party buffs,

Restoration is wanted for pretty much every arena team i see not becasue they have extremly mana efficient and quick heals but because the heals have buffs

ONE WORD - TOTEMS, these are extremely mana efficient buffs for an entire party...

whomever is telling you that shamans are bad needs to be sh

Edited, Nov 11th 2007 5:08pm by Draeneipally


lawlz
#14 Nov 12 2007 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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#15 Nov 12 2007 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Really? This thread must have a threat dump then.

Edited, Nov 12th 2007 12:12pm by Gaudion
#16 Nov 12 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I would like to see if you can convince me to play a shaman despite all the negitivity. Thank you.


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Die in a fire.


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#17 Nov 12 2007 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Deadd wrote:
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I would like to see if you can convince me to play a shaman despite all the negitivity. Thank you.


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Die in a fire.


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No.


I like it here.

LOL. Allakhazam has good information...and dumb remarks that are funny to flame idiots.
#18 Nov 12 2007 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have decided to reroll a hybrid class. I would like to see if you can convince me to play a shaman despite all the negitivity. Thank you.


Had you instead said something like:

"Hi, I'm thinking about playing a shaman. Here's what I like about the class: x, y and z. But I've heard people saying bad things about shamans, mainly: a, b, and c.

Are these people right? Have shamans been gimped? I'd just like to know how experienced shamans feel about this - and had you the chance to do it all over again, would you still roll a shaman? Thanks much!"

I think you would not have been told to die in a fire (i.e. you might have had a more positive and productive response).

GL
#19 Nov 12 2007 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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Just play the class YOU want, what we like about Shaman you may not (and as we are all different specs we probably all like different stuff anyway).

Seriously, try them out and make your own decision.
#20 Nov 13 2007 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
do watch how you say things around shamans, we do love to defend our class... at least on alla! =D
#21 Nov 13 2007 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to convince you NOT to roll a Shaman, because as long as people roll Shamans, Blizzard wont think "@#%^, nobody plays this class, maybe we should take a stern look at it and FIX the *******..."

I wish someone had told me that Shamans would get anally nerfed over and over when I first rolled mine in 1.6. A Shaman needs a ton of gear to match what other classes can do anyway. Yes, a resto Shaman is a great asset in arena play but then so is a Holy Paladin, or a resto Druid. The difference is that those two classes have other viable options, Shamans basically dont.

Shaman party buffs are powerful, I agree, but they're based on the most annoying system in the whole game; totems. A buff that any class can dispel in PvP; splendid. A buff you can walk out of range of, amazing. A set of buffs, NONE OF WHICH you can use if someone locks your nature school. F ucking outstanding my son, good show.

Oh, and no CC. And no defense against CC. At all. (Tremor totem doesnt work, we know this).

I know two Shamans who have worked and worked their character to a reasonable standard; one is Enhance, the other Elemental, and both raid. The Enhance Shaman is nice for the MT's group for Windfury, and is heavily outdamaged by equal-geared Rogues and even DPS Warriors. The Elemental is nice for the caster group for Wrath of Air (although nobody can stay in his totem's range in modern raiding) and is heavily outdamaged by equal or lesser-geared Mages, Warlocks and Shadowpriests.

So, if you like the phrase "heavily outdamaged", as I do, roll a Shaman. glhf.

Edited, Nov 13th 2007 11:30pm by Sinstralis
#22 Nov 13 2007 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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Shaman party buffs are powerful, I agree, but they're based on the most annoying system in the whole game; totems. A buff that any class can dispel in PvP; splendid. A buff you can walk out of range of, amazing. A set of buffs, NONE OF WHICH you can use if someone locks your nature school. F ucking outstanding my son, good show.


I lol'd.

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Oh, and no CC. And no defense against CC. At all. (Tremor totem doesnt work, we know this).


And just to compound things they just decided to nerf our grounding totem too.

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I know two Shamans who have worked and worked their character to a reasonable standard; one is Enhance, the other Elemental, and both raid. The Enhance Shaman is nice for the MT's group for Windfury, and is heavily outdamaged by equal-geared Rogues and even DPS Warriors. The Elemental is nice for the caster group for Wrath of Air (although nobody can stay in his totem's range in modern raiding) and is heavily outdamaged by equal or lesser-geared Mages, Warlocks and Shadowpriests.


Wow, sorry to say it but your friends are not very good, my house mate and I both play Shaman's (I'm Enh, he's Elem) and while we ARE outdps'd by those classes occasionally it is certainly never by the kind of margin I would describe as heavy. I often crack 1k dps and my shammy is not that geared (Kara/Gruul level).
#23 Nov 13 2007 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, sorry to say it but your friends are not very good, my house mate and I both play Shaman's (I'm Enh, he's Elem) and while we ARE outdps'd by those classes occasionally it is certainly never by the kind of margin I would describe as heavy. I often crack 1k dps and my shammy is not that geared (Kara/Gruul level).


That's the reason it hasnt happened to you yet. When we were at Karazhan and Gruul, our Enhance Shaman in particular was making the Rogues deeply unhappy; he could cause enormous amounts of damage against any kind of mob, without any of the constant combo point/strikes/finishing moves headaches that Rogues go through. At Tier 4 level Enh Shamans are actually a force to contend with in PvE DPS, they really are, and are a splendid addition to a melee group for Windfury and Unleashed Rage.

Unfortunately, SSC and TK change all that, and Black Temple/Hyjal only makes it worse. The trinkets and gear in these instances allow certain classes to truly soar in damage potential, Rogues, Mages and Warlocks in particular. Rogues benefit from certain trinkets, casters get their love from the new spellhaste gear.

My guild is currently in BT/Hyjal and it seems that every run, our Shamans go lower down the DPS meter. I expect the new patch to address this problem a little (AP->spelldmg means you will basically scale better) but right now, the scaling curve for Enhance Shamans isnt too great past Gruul's Lair, and since the nerf to Lightning Bolt's coefficient the scaling for Elemental Shamans is even worse. This is highlighted by the near-complete lack of endgame gear that you could say is genuinely 'Shaman' gear; it's all either Hunter hand-me-downs (welcome back to patch 1.8....) or leather gear stolen from Boomkin Druids.

Tis the truth, ol chum.

~sins
#24 Nov 13 2007 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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Point taken, not having been there I'll take your word on it, and hope Blizz sort themselves out before I get there. Smiley: wink

Edit: The extra threat reduction should help too, atm the only cap on my damage is my threat.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 7:53am by SunSoarer
#25 Nov 14 2007 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
whenever i raid of do an instance the only people who out DPS me tend to me uber mages and the tanks, this will probably chance at 70 BUT shamans did not deserve the nerfs we got... especially to grounding totem as it was basically our only defense against pretty much anything, now shamans are reduced to killing our opponents before they can kill us

IMHO shamans are the class that takes the most skill to play well. If you happen to be able to play a shaman in all rolls will be able to play any class in any role well. This isnt being said for pallys and druids as they have much better assets to the class. I played my first rogue to 26 and decided he wasn't my style, then i leveled my paladin to 60 (pre-bc) i got hacked. I heard about the expansion and decided to pick up WoW again. Made my shaman, played her till i was a great player at WoW, now i can pretty much play every roll except for maybe a tank as i have not tried this role yet.

ToW = good for raids, but as said the raids get bigger and the radius stays the same (unless you get the resto talent)

Many shamans who play WoW fully know much of what i have just typed, which is why many shamans are great players. Maybe this is why we tend to kill our opponents the fastest, I say, dont nerf me... if you hate being killed nerf the players and dont let people who play well play the F*cking game =D
#26 Nov 14 2007 at 4:34 PM Rating: Default
Well, I found my reason to roll shaman. FREE TEIR 6 IN PATCH 2.3!!!!

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