Probably been asked 5,000,000 times before, but after looking briefly through the first 4 pages (read ctrl+f for "shadowe" "spellf" and "tailor" with no results relevant to my question) and briefly browsing the stickies, I did not find an answer, so I will ask again:
Which is better for magi, spellfire or shadoweave tailoring? From what I can tell (and correct me if I'm wrong) the big difference is in the set you can make, which the shadoweave is better for frost and the spellfire for fire. Now, chances are I will be doing mainly solo farming on my mage when I hit 70, as I will then turn to focus on other alts, so I would lean toward frost. However, fire appears to be the prevalent raid spec, but I can always get epics over there. So would I be better off to go shadoweave or spellfire?
And are there more differences than just the epic sets?
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I'd say it all depends on what you want to do.
Shadowweave for frost, of course, which is great for pvp and for grinding melee mobs.
Fire for any endgame raiding and can still be used for grinding.
Now, you say you're more bent on grinding, so I'd say go shadowweave, because frost has so much more survivability over fire. Though if you're going to be grinding with a healer buddy, hit up fire.
Bah, I have no good answer for you. I will say that the spellfire 3 piece bonus is better for mages than the shadowweave 3 piece bonus is. And that's all I have.
Shadowweave for frost, of course, which is great for pvp and for grinding melee mobs.
Fire for any endgame raiding and can still be used for grinding.
Now, you say you're more bent on grinding, so I'd say go shadowweave, because frost has so much more survivability over fire. Though if you're going to be grinding with a healer buddy, hit up fire.
Bah, I have no good answer for you. I will say that the spellfire 3 piece bonus is better for mages than the shadowweave 3 piece bonus is. And that's all I have.
Is there any other difference besides the sets?
Oh, and how about for end-game, how far into it will the fire set get replaced?
Oh, and how about for end-game, how far into it will the fire set get replaced?
Both of the sets have enough +damage and gem slots to be almost comparable to t5, imho.
So I'd say you won't be replacing them 'til after Kara.
The only other difference is that they are different pieces...
Spellfire is robe, gloves, belt while Shadoweave is shoulders, robe, and boots.
Another thing is the socket bonuses, shadoweave gives +3 hit while spellfire gives +4 stam for the gem socketing on each piece. However, endgame you'll be pretty much ignoring the socket bonuses and just putting straight damage gems in the sockets.
So I'd say you won't be replacing them 'til after Kara.
The only other difference is that they are different pieces...
Spellfire is robe, gloves, belt while Shadoweave is shoulders, robe, and boots.
Another thing is the socket bonuses, shadoweave gives +3 hit while spellfire gives +4 stam for the gem socketing on each piece. However, endgame you'll be pretty much ignoring the socket bonuses and just putting straight damage gems in the sockets.
Solo farming as a fire mage is in no way difficult in comparison to frost.
Yes, frost does have the survivability that fire lacks, but grinding is not full of difficult encounters.
I'd recommend getting Spellfire if you wish to be able to raid and farm PvE.
Yes, frost does have the survivability that fire lacks, but grinding is not full of difficult encounters.
I'd recommend getting Spellfire if you wish to be able to raid and farm PvE.
I will also recommend getting Spellfire if you want to raid. With the buff coming in 2.3 (no coefficient) it will be even more powerful to use fire. You probably will not replace your spellfire pieces until SSC/TK.
There is some good advice in this thread, but I have not seen the danger sign. I am a shadoweave tailor right now, wearing my shadoweave set. If I want to respec to fire, I have to pay the respec rate (somewhere around 50G) AND a fee to unlearn shadoweave and learn spellfire before I can use my spellfire gear (about another 150G IIRC), so your respec costs are 200G each way. Keep this in mind.
I was a frost mage even when I started raiding. Unless you join a hard-core guild who demands spec's, it would be fine!
On that note, I started with Shadow tailoring. Got my frost set, while keeping all my spellcloth and tradeing all the mooncloth for whatever I could get my hands on =)
I did this until I had all the mats for my fire set, then switched over. When we progress to where I need to either go Arc or Frost, I can go back to frost cause I will pretty much have the basic gear (and I hate Arc).
The respec costs for tailoring ARE the steep part, meaning you can't say switch back and forth for PvE fire, and PvP frost cheaply. The total tailoring respec cost is 170g + your talent respec fee. At 230g possible, it's not a happy choice!!!
If you want to use your mage to farm and make $$, I would honestly say stay frost. You can farm ANY primal that way, where as if you go heavy fire well.. those primal fire's are a PAIN to get. Where as, there are mobs who drop mote's of water who aren't frost immune (so unfair!! lol).
As you said, you CAN get epic's raiding for a fire spec, a problem is going to be though, a decent guild, is gonna give those to a non-tailor first. Basicaly I had to fight, 5-man, heroic, and finnaly PvP into my boots/shoulders for my fire set. Shade and HKM unfortunatly hate me, and won't replace my crappy blue PvP shoulders though.
As for when it gets replaced. Basicaly, you won't replace it till you get T5 gear. So it lasts a LONG LONG time.
On that note, I started with Shadow tailoring. Got my frost set, while keeping all my spellcloth and tradeing all the mooncloth for whatever I could get my hands on =)
I did this until I had all the mats for my fire set, then switched over. When we progress to where I need to either go Arc or Frost, I can go back to frost cause I will pretty much have the basic gear (and I hate Arc).
The respec costs for tailoring ARE the steep part, meaning you can't say switch back and forth for PvE fire, and PvP frost cheaply. The total tailoring respec cost is 170g + your talent respec fee. At 230g possible, it's not a happy choice!!!
If you want to use your mage to farm and make $$, I would honestly say stay frost. You can farm ANY primal that way, where as if you go heavy fire well.. those primal fire's are a PAIN to get. Where as, there are mobs who drop mote's of water who aren't frost immune (so unfair!! lol).
As you said, you CAN get epic's raiding for a fire spec, a problem is going to be though, a decent guild, is gonna give those to a non-tailor first. Basicaly I had to fight, 5-man, heroic, and finnaly PvP into my boots/shoulders for my fire set. Shade and HKM unfortunatly hate me, and won't replace my crappy blue PvP shoulders though.
As for when it gets replaced. Basicaly, you won't replace it till you get T5 gear. So it lasts a LONG LONG time.
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If you want to use your mage to farm and make $$, I would honestly say stay frost. You can farm ANY primal that way, where as if you go heavy fire well.. those primal fire's are a PAIN to get. Where as, there are mobs who drop mote's of water who aren't frost immune (so unfair!! lol).
I know the pain of farming fire ele's with a fire mage.. Luckily i have arcane missles improved (Good for pvp against casters, especially locks, ruins them). But even then.. It just sucks mana, i get hit too much, etc.
When it comes to getting primal fires, I simply farmed primal airs/waters then traded them/sold them and bought fires.
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