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#1 Nov 09 2007 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
Greetings everyone. I'm a low level druid with a couple of questions that I can't find the answers to. Everywhere I look I find that to gear for pve in cat form you should get items with str, agi and sta. And every site I check one is more important than the other. Some say str > sta > agi. Some say agi > sta > str and on and on. I'm really trying to prioritise to level as fast as possibe, and I know a lot of you have been down that road and know what works. Also with talents I've read a lot about skipping resto and going straight to mangle. I've also read a lot about feral until you get FS, then 5 furor, 5 naturalist and 3 into nss. But what do you think about putting 5 into nature's focus in order to increase survivability? Reason I ask is because a couple of times I've shifted to heal and couldn't heal fast enough due to interruption. Any advice, links I may not have been to etc. would be very helpful and very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
#2 Nov 09 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Obscenic wrote:
Greetings everyone. I'm a low level druid with a couple of questions that I can't find the answers to. Everywhere I look I find that to gear for pve in cat form you should get items with str, agi and sta. And every site I check one is more important than the other. Some say str > sta > agi. Some say agi > sta > str and on and on.

Trust the sticky at the top of this forum. It's fantastic. You'll give yourself a headache if you try to rationalize all the various sources of info out there into "one truth."

On this subject, the sticky recommends for cat gear: Str, Agi, AP, Crit, ToHit. You won't see +AP, +crit or +hit for a long time, so just worry about strength and agility. Strength increases your attack power (at a ratio of 2:1) which dictates your base hit amount, and agility increases your crit % which is how often you "critically strike" for double damage.

I think most druids call it a wash and grab strength and agility in equal parts for their primary melee gear set. And HP never hurts, so take stamina where you can get it. So for general purpose melee and especially DPS, Strength = Agility > Stamina > Other Stuff. For tanking in particular, Armor = Stamina > Agility > Strength > Other Stuff.


Obscenic wrote:
I'm really trying to prioritise to level as fast as possibe, and I know a lot of you have been down that road and know what works. Also with talents I've read a lot about skipping resto and going straight to mangle. I've also read a lot about feral until you get FS, then 5 furor, 5 naturalist and 3 into nss.

Good job doing your homework. You won't find consensus on the issue of going straight to mangle or grabbing the handy resto talents after you get Feral Swiftness, though. It's my vague impression that opinion is split 50/50 on that. I'm a straight-to-mangle guy myself.

Also, FYI, it's generally agreed that the "gotta have 'em" resto talents are Furor, Naturalist, and Omen of Clarity. Natural Shapeshifter is considered by most a PvP talent because you have to shift a lot more in PvP,

Obscenic wrote:
But what do you think about putting 5 into nature's focus in order to increase survivability? Reason I ask is because a couple of times I've shifted to heal and couldn't heal fast enough due to interruption.

IMHO you can do without Nature's Focus (and free up those 5 valuable talent points) by taking interruptions into account when deciding when to start your self-heals. Unless it's a true "interrupt" your casting progress bar just gets knocked down a bit, so it'll take longer but not require you to start the cast over. And if you're getting pummeled, run away run away!!!



Edited, Nov 9th 2007 2:40pm by JeeBar
#3 Nov 09 2007 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
Excellent. That was exactly what I was looking for. My frustration about what gear to wear and look for has finally come to an end. Thanks for shedding some light on where to dump talent points as well. Go Druids!
#4 Nov 09 2007 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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how you choose to talent is ultimately up to you. just remember that you can respec at any time, and the cost for the first respec is a paltry one gold.

generally, for pve servers, id recommend going straight to mangle. for pvp servers, id fill out resto with furor/natures focus before going past 13 points in the feral tree.
#5 Nov 09 2007 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
Strength and agility are about equally as important for dps.
Agility is more important for tanking in bear form though, due to it increasing dodge and armor.
#6 Nov 09 2007 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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generally, for pve servers, id recommend going straight to mangle. for pvp servers, id fill out resto with furor/natures focus before going past 13 points in the feral tree.


I think that's a good idea since I play on a pvp server. It contradicts this, though.

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IMHO you can do without Nature's Focus (and free up those 5 valuable talent points) by taking interruptions into account when deciding when to start your self-heals.


That rings true to me as well, because since I've read it I've been more prudent as to when to self-heal, taking into account the number of mobs, how fast they hit, etc. And while both Naturalist and NF are both nice and I want them both, I don't want to be level 162 by the time I get Mangle. I think what I'm going to do is go ahead and get 5 in Naturalist and one in ooc and head down to Mangle thereafter. If it doesn't work out...

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just remember that you can respec at any time, and the cost for the first respec is a paltry one gold.


We'll see how it works out. Thanks again for the advice.
#7 Nov 09 2007 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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IMHO you can do without Nature's Focus (and free up those 5 valuable talent points) by taking interruptions into account when deciding when to start your self-heals.


this works from a pve sense, but in pvp, especially the solo and small group pvp that occurs most often when leveling, youll have other factors to consider. sometimes you need a heal RIGHT NOW and dont have time to work between the attacks of the mob on you (being ganked while fighting a mob is common on a pvp server after all). pet classes will have their pets on you, so facing a hunter or warlock without natures focus means you kill them before they kill you, and both of those classes possess the best counter to druids in pvp (fear). and then theres the random aoe, the whirlwind from a warrior, the blade flurry from a rogue, the frost nova from a mage, that can push your cast time back far enough to allow you or a friend to die.

honestly, for leveling up on a pvp server, i cant see NOT having natures focus. maybe as a personal challenge, or if you understand the intricacies of the class enough (and have the practice) you can try it, but even then you cant deny the power of knowing you have better than average chances of getting that heal off when it counts MOST.
#8 Nov 09 2007 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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honestly, for leveling up on a pvp server, i cant see NOT having natures focus. maybe as a personal challenge, or if you understand the intricacies of the class enough (and have the practice) you can try it, but even then you cant deny the power of knowing you have better than average chances of getting that heal off when it counts MOST.


I have neither the desire for that personal challenge, nor do I have the skills or practice yet even if I wanted to, so to save myself (and friends) from dying more often than needed, I'm gonna waffle from my last post and go ahead and dump the points into NF. However, would you recommend putting the 5 in Naturalist as well? And if so, which first? Keeping in mind I have a couple more quiet levels before the real ganking begins, I think I could pull off not having it at least until there's 5 in naturalist assuming I even need that one anymore. What say you?
#9 Nov 09 2007 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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naturalist is nice, but its benefit at lower levels isnt that hot. sure, its 10% more damage, but when you crit for 200, thats only a 20 damage gain. if you get it, get it after NF.
#10 Nov 10 2007 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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Quor wrote:
this works from a pve sense, but in pvp, especially the solo and small group pvp that occurs most often when leveling, youll have other factors to consider. sometimes you need a heal RIGHT NOW and dont have time to work between the attacks of the mob on you (being ganked while fighting a mob is common on a pvp server after all).

honestly, for leveling up on a pvp server, i cant see NOT having natures focus. maybe as a personal challenge, or if you understand the intricacies of the class enough (and have the practice) you can try it, but even then you cant deny the power of knowing you have better than average chances of getting that heal off when it counts MOST.


Yeah, sorry, you're right as always. I should have qualified my statement. Somehow I'm long-winded and STILL leave key stuff out. : / First, I play on a PvE server, and exclusively do PvE. Funny enough, I actually have 3/5 Nature's Focus myself from a respec I did when I thought I was gonna start PvPing at 70, because you and others had said it was valuable there, and in the little PvP I did do it definitely came in handy. I didn't like PvP enough to stick to it, though, and haven't respec'd out of NF even though I don't think I get much value out of it in my PvE experience on a non-PvP server.
#11 Nov 13 2007 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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If you are "leveling the most effective and fastest way" like the original post implies then most would say you have two choices with spec. I

If you don't mind a premature respec then Spec into Resto earlier up to Omen of Clarity while your leveling, then when you hit 50 and can get Mangle do a respec totally into Feral for Mangle. Then work back up to Omen.

If you just want to start out and go - Spec full feral til Mangle (this also allows you to get Feral Swiftness and stuff earlier, and doesn't require a respec).

As for Gear...don't worry about it leveling, just pick up quest items and any instances you run and you'll be fine. Its all replaced near 60 anyway with much better Outlands gear.
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