I have seen quite a few MM builds including this talent lately.
Increases agility by 2% and intellect by 6%.
Assumption: A typical blue geared lvl 70 would have like ~450 agi and ~200 intellect.
450 * 1.02 = 459
200 * 1.06 = 212
Paired with Careful Aim, 12 * 0.45 = 5.4 attack power.
9 agi, 12 int and 5.4 ap.
Unimpressive by itself IMO, and even more compared to +8% crit chance
in imp. Barrage (for the same 2 points).
Or?
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Correct, not the best talent to spend your points on.
MM is a mana burning spec. So the attraction of higher intellect is always there for more mana and with CE & CA talents it can pay off in other areas, otherwise, it's a useless stat to have any bonuses on.
Really you'll see these talents used on Hunter who aren't trying for total max dps but a hybrid with mana pool availability and good dps.
There are people that feel max dps is it. I won't go back over this argument, but people do intentionally take talents off the cookie cutter build for a reason and they aren't being stupid. They know what they are targeting.
Really you'll see these talents used on Hunter who aren't trying for total max dps but a hybrid with mana pool availability and good dps.
There are people that feel max dps is it. I won't go back over this argument, but people do intentionally take talents off the cookie cutter build for a reason and they aren't being stupid. They know what they are targeting.
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Really you'll see these talents used on Hunter who aren't trying for total max dps but a hybrid with mana pool availability and good dps.
Any build with COmbat Experience is not a "good dps" build
Really, come on- two point you can use in something that will boost your damage output more so than that or give you more life, or give your pet a boost.
There has been a huge discussion on this (started by me, ended by everybody else with the same consensus) that explains that Combat Experience is, while not a useless talent, a talent better left unchecked for want of better talents available.
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MM is a mana burning spec.
Out of all the specs I have played- MM is the most efficient of them all...
Will it have any significant effect on a levelling character? If you are under 5% dps difference, it will be NEGLIGABLE in the outcome of a levelling character. The OP assumes lvl 70, what the? From what everyone else here seems to be saying, you shouldn't *BE* an MM spec 70 unless you are doing 5v5 Arena, BG or some types of raids.
Then again according to North, BM out dps's ANY MM spec hunter even without the pets factored in. If that is actually true, the previous statement would be totally invaild anyway as there would never be a need for MM spec- anyplace, call all MM hunters "huntards".
So what difference does it actually make here Caldone, Kefas? You guys are squabbling over minutae when everyone else seems to have adopted the mantra that MM spec is useless except for the first 20 or so points.
I'm not trying to restart the spec war, but everyone keeps throwing out all these 'numbers' and in the end, they mean about ziltch because they only look at one thing: dps. If that is true, there shouldn't be an MM spec in existance right now because it's the lowest of the three in dps. CE being buried so far in the MM tree makes it stupid anyway from a secondary spec perspective. For an MM hunter it's an acceptable talent up to the end game. It will have almost no impact on the characters ability to do their job in a group. That's all I was trying to say.
I am an MM spec hunter with CE, it suits my playstyle very well. When I hit 70, maybe I'll go cookie cutter BM or something. Until then, does it really make a big difference?
Then again according to North, BM out dps's ANY MM spec hunter even without the pets factored in. If that is actually true, the previous statement would be totally invaild anyway as there would never be a need for MM spec- anyplace, call all MM hunters "huntards".
So what difference does it actually make here Caldone, Kefas? You guys are squabbling over minutae when everyone else seems to have adopted the mantra that MM spec is useless except for the first 20 or so points.
I'm not trying to restart the spec war, but everyone keeps throwing out all these 'numbers' and in the end, they mean about ziltch because they only look at one thing: dps. If that is true, there shouldn't be an MM spec in existance right now because it's the lowest of the three in dps. CE being buried so far in the MM tree makes it stupid anyway from a secondary spec perspective. For an MM hunter it's an acceptable talent up to the end game. It will have almost no impact on the characters ability to do their job in a group. That's all I was trying to say.
I am an MM spec hunter with CE, it suits my playstyle very well. When I hit 70, maybe I'll go cookie cutter BM or something. Until then, does it really make a big difference?
You're right, for me it makes zip zero zilch difference, and I should really be
giving less that a rat's *** about it. It's not included in my spec anyway or
never will be.
It is also possible to be this far in MM without actually being considered MM spec in my opinion.
The reason behind the topic was just that I have regularily browse
through threads asking advice on spec/gear/techniques whatever, and I noticed
lately a few that included this talent and rather than answering in every thread
to something that pops up once in a while, I felt like advicing that I think it
is a bad talent investment, and also the reasoning behind it.
So no flame, no badmouthing, no bashing. Just thoughts.
And you're right, for a leveling character it doesnt mean crap tbh what you spec
deep in the MM tree. Only thing that makes a noticeable difference is BM or not BM.
giving less that a rat's *** about it. It's not included in my spec anyway or
never will be.
It is also possible to be this far in MM without actually being considered MM spec in my opinion.
The reason behind the topic was just that I have regularily browse
through threads asking advice on spec/gear/techniques whatever, and I noticed
lately a few that included this talent and rather than answering in every thread
to something that pops up once in a while, I felt like advicing that I think it
is a bad talent investment, and also the reasoning behind it.
So no flame, no badmouthing, no bashing. Just thoughts.
And you're right, for a leveling character it doesnt mean crap tbh what you spec
deep in the MM tree. Only thing that makes a noticeable difference is BM or not BM.
Sloshot...
To some people it is not about the DPS, it is about the Playstyle, and I am still trying to figure out wether SV is my playstyle, and liking it, BM is not my playstyle, and when I was MM I was proud I could OUT DPS with the least DPS Spec.
Kefas:
Spend your points elsewere, they can be much more usefull in other things.
To some people it is not about the DPS, it is about the Playstyle, and I am still trying to figure out wether SV is my playstyle, and liking it, BM is not my playstyle, and when I was MM I was proud I could OUT DPS with the least DPS Spec.
Kefas:
Spend your points elsewere, they can be much more usefull in other things.
Its not a bad talent, but there are simply a lot of better options, especially that far down in a talent tree.
If it would have been first tier with 3 ranks or so, it suddenly would have been pretty damn good.
If it would have been first tier with 3 ranks or so, it suddenly would have been pretty damn good.
My original MM spec included CE. I respecc'ed and put those points into Focused Fire and I've been quite happy with the decision. The 2% increased damage AND 20% extra chance to crit Kill Command well make up for the loss of that teency bit of extra agility and intellect.
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