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While i never thought i was short on damage, Today i believe i was proven wrong.
I was out damaged by a mage in shattered halls. He did a lil over 1 million damage and I did a little over 800k. I was second on the damage meter yet still i am begining to feel like i could be doing more to obtain more damage. keep in mind this mage was a guildy and very skilled at his mage. but still i need to improve.
I believe my issue may be gear related, while im trying very hard to obtain the marksman's longbow from thralmar exalted, I don't really know what could be hurting me so much.

So if anyone would mind taking a look at my profile and filling in some input on what you feel could help me achieve more damage.

However i must stay mm/sv, Its not out of stuborness or anything i just need the cc because im only doing 5 mans and kara at the moment. other than that im all ears.

The mage's spec would help.

You're a Hunter. An equally geared and equally skilled Fire Mage is going to outshine you on the damage meter every single time. An equally geared and equally skilled Frost Mage is going to come in not too far below you. If they outgear you, it's not unheard of that they'll outdamage you as well.

Refer to Aethien's guide. If you meet the stats outlined there for your spec and are using a spec-appropriate shot rotation, don't worry about where you fall on the damage meter. It's not about being #1 on the damage meter. It's about making a solid contribution to a group. The A/F Warrior I run with outgears me by a bit but if he accounts for my pet damage, I outdamage him on a regular basis. We joke about it and rib each other back and forth, but that's where it stops. His roll is to do damage and nothing else. My role is to manage CC mobs first, dps second. If I have the luxury of being able to stand their and pewpew the entire time, I'd have him beat in spades even without my pet.

Naww thats just my mana set, i have a sonic spear with +35 that a actually hardly ever use. With the marksman tree making use of my intelect it actually improves my ranged attack power pretty decently also i just love having 1k extra mana.


AureliusSir:

I actually think he is a arcane mage of sorts. But he is just a ridiculous player one of the type of players that is badass at whatever he does.
He is very well geared but no more geared than myself.

One thing is that in shadow labs we both can come in around the same damage we have both gotten one million two hundred thousand damage in a run. but he does beat me in damage on a very regular basis. and aethiens guide is my bible.. well not that much but i have read it very much and follow it very closely with how i play..

Kefas: I use miltishot on a regular basis: but even then i dont think i see the benifit from giving it +12% damage. I think i would rather have +5% damage to all my shots.. I mean if you think about it i fire a multi at the most once every 10 seconds. so that gives me about 5-6 other shots that can get a 5% bonus to damage. I just dont see the point in upping a shot that does not get used.

Now i really have been thinking about dumping the improved arcane shot but even then the points would go into efficiency and really not help me all that much damage wise.

Gear wise this whole time i have been focusing on attack power. but even with myself focusing on attack power i a cannot get the 2k unbuffed attack power i am supossed to have. Its getting fusterating.

I think i will finally replaced my much loved beast mastery stuff for some epics i have been looking at.. maybe that will gimme a boost.

I'm having a bit of a hard time with that.

Lol the healing enchant on the ring was just for fun when i was leveling enchanting, It serves no purpose.

Also i have recently looked at this new marksman based build.. i am sorry i refuse to drop improved wing clip for now.. for the 5 mans im doing i love it. Please tell me what you guys think and what points i should put where.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZVqbRVzhestIh0Gzd

Arcane Mages can pump out sick damage, augmented by a 40% threat reduction to spells from the Arcane school, meaning they can basically do 40% more damage to a target before they pull hate and get ganked.



AoE FTW.

Something happen to Sunfury that I missed? >_>

I'm not being overly elitist, i'm saying what there is left to improve.
There's a big difference between that.

For myself, i always look at what there is left to improve and i always want to improve myself.
I'm simply stating those things that he is capable of doing to improve himself.


Besides that, i'd say slammer is more then ready for karazhan.

There is a contradiction there. Having mana allows you to deal damage, it's well worth sacrificing a bit of AP for the ability to maintain the pew pew.

You should have Savagery on your Sonic Spear, not +35 AGI.
You have a small handful of +12 AP gems that can be upgraded to +16.
There are level 70 quest reward items which outperform the Beastmaster items, probably even countering the 4 piece set bonus.
The crit scope is better than the damage scope.
The Hourglass isn't really all that good. Try the PvP reward purchased in Zangar.
Work on your Hit Rating.


Edited, Nov 11th 2007 10:54pm by Kompera

Thanks for the tips guys. actually i use the twin stelaris a ton because i like them for mana. but i also have a sonic spear with a +35 agility enchant.

As for my gems. yes they are all cheap at the moment. but i actually just recently got rid of all my expensive 8 attack power 2 mana per 5 seconds ones in favor of ones that boast more attack power.. i had to give up my socket bonuses.. but once i get the money to get all my sockets with +16 attack power.. i feel it will be worth it.

also i have a new build that i plan on using posted in a previous post here.. problem is i have been broke so i cannot do much at the moment..

So when i get some cash i plan on respecing to the build i posted.

Also i just obtained the marksman's bow from thralmar. Hopefully this bow will be good for me. lol once i can afford to throw a 12 damage on it.. i actually would rather have the rare hit rating scope but i doubt that will happen on my server.

SO all and all my my list of things to do is this.

Better gems
respec to my mm/sv build posted.
get a good scope on my marksmans bow

I actually enjoy that hourglass trinket. procs an awful lot for me.
and i figure i will work on getting more epic pieces of armor for myself. I figure i will change out the pieces of the beast lord set when i get more than one epic to put echange the pieces out for. that way i wont feel the sting from missing the 600 armor ignored buff being gone.

Better is, of course, a very subjective word.

I run with the Mark of Conquest and the Terokkar Tablet of Precision. What, a lowly green trinket? Yeah, the 22 Hit Rating pushes me to the 'never miss' point, which is worth more to me than the AP from the Bloodlust Brooch. And I haven't taken the Mark off since running WWS during a Kara run and seeing exactly how much mana it returned to me.

Edit: Typo

Edited, Nov 12th 2007 3:43am by Kompera

Not directly. But tell me, what's your auto-fire DPS? Because that is the DPS you'll do with zero mana. This is what makes the Mark of Conquest such a great Trinket.

And not missing has other implications than purely DPS. How much mana do you spend on shots which miss? Try running WWS and then seeing exactly how many of your Steady Shots, Arcane Shots, etc miss. You may come to appreciate that not missing comes with a value which is greater than that which can be gained by simply looking at your DPS.

Edit: Typos. I'm on a roll

Edited, Nov 12th 2007 3:56am by Kompera

North said exactly what i was going to say....

Its really hard to go Oom as a hunter.
If you chuck a fel mana pot when your at around 60-70% mana you'll be fine and even in the extreme case of almost being OoM you pull back your pet, FD and drink.