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I gave all of my assumptions in the quoted post. DPS = AP/14. Real DPS varies vastly depending on a lot of factors. I have no way to accurately incorporate factors such as player skill at not clipping auto shots into a spreadsheet.

How about AP/14 + weapon DPS + ammo DPS? Since you're making assumptions about what stats this hunter has, you might as well make assumptions that they have a given weapon and ammo. If you want to argue for non-raiders, make it Valanos' and Blackflight Arrows. That will up your values by at least 80.

And then each talent tree has modifiers. Beast Mastery has a direct +20%. MM has +5% and a host of other effects. Survival has extra crit rate, benefit from agility, and Expose Weakness. All told, I don't think it's fair to make a baseline assumption of at least +10% from talents. The only talent I see you directly considering is Mortal Shots, although you may be incorporating Lethal Shots.

I'm not theorycrafting. I'm showing the DPS gain comparing 10 of each of 3 different but equal 'quality' gems. The math used even offers a very slight advantage to the AGI/Crit gems, and still the AP gems come out ahead.

Theorycrafting, using the gems which allow for the highest 'stock' DPS increase will be the best choice. No matter what bow, arrows, Talents, etc are then factored in, you're starting from the highest base.

Theorycrafting, MM and BM Hunters will see better DPS using the AP gems until they reach some arbitrarily high amount of RAP. Higher than a Kara equipped Hunter plus buffs is able to reach.
Similarly to the gems, augments offer the same 1 AGI or 2 AP choice, and the AP choice gives the best performance. For gear it's not always as cut and dry.

I won't make the same statement for SV Hunters, as they have so many different 'on crit' effects that I haven't taken the time to try to map out all of their abilities.

Howitzer

Him doing Reliquery of Souls with his guild (his POV): youtube here

All I can say is... friggin wow.

Not saying this guy's one of the "top hunters in WoW," but here's a video of a T6 hunter in PvP action:

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=48090&stream=Filefront

I have no idea what the base dps is, so I'm going to refer to it as X

 
10 Bright Living Ruby 160 AP	160	0	X+11.429+2.514(pet)   
10 Delicate Living Ruby 80 AGI	80	2	X+5.714+(.02)(1.3)(X) + 1.257(pet)   
10 Smooth Dawnstone 80 CSR	0	3.6	X+(.036)(1.3)(X) 

We want to find out when the Agility becomes better then the AP to start.

X + 11.429 + 2.514= X + 5.714 + 1.25 7+ (.02)(1.3)(X)
13.943 = 6.971 + .026(X)
6.972 = .026(X)
6.972/.026 = X = 268. (which is the same as my first answer.)

So Agility gems are better when your dps is above 268.

Agility and crit

6.971 + .026(X) = .0468(X)
6.971 = X(.0468-.026)
6.971/(.0468-.026) = X = 335

so crit is better then agility when your dps is over 335.

(note: for SV agility is always better, because their talents boost agility)

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 11:03am by Xsarus

... X is the base dps. It is a variable. So it can be any number. My calculations show that when X is 268 agility gems are better then AP gems. So go look at your tooltip dps, and if it is higher then that switch. I'm really not sure how much clearer I can be.

Are you just not understanding the math? It's just algebra, but I've taken 5 years of university math now, so I sometimes take some knowledge that other people may not have for granted. If it's that I'll try to explain my initial equations in more detail.

you could use 268 and numbers slightly higher and lower as the base dps and that will reflect what I'm saying.

To Dfexpc

I know a similarly geared MM Hunter that performs really well, near top spot on gruuls etc he does out dmg me by a little bit without pets but difference isn't great; when counting pets, I outstrip him by considerable margin but not sky and earth difference.

Edited, Nov 17th 2007 4:46pm by Elustriel

heh, realized I had already said this. oops.

Edited, Nov 18th 2007 4:01pm by Xsarus

So.... With all my +AP gems, I have a little over 300 tooltip DPS (with AotH and TSA). Do I start to replace my AP gems? Or is the 300dps without gems?

that's some amazing crit for a non SV hunter. What could he do as a BM though with that? I'd think it would walk all over MM. 30% speed increase with 45% crit raid buffed would just be incredible.

did you guys see him with the raid gear or the pvp gear??