Ok, this is just a fun question, not meant to expose my 'noob' status as a pally, and certainly not intended to initiate any kind of debate surrounding weapon speed/ stats, etc, etc.
What is THE weapon for a pally... Sword / Mace or *shock* Axe. Pallies can use all 3, but to me a pally with an axe (especially a 2H axe) just doesn't sit well with me. Swords or maces fit better, with 2h maces probably being the quintessential pally weapon (Ret) and 1h sword being the prot weapon. 1h mace for a holy pally.
I realise it's all semantics, but humour me would you.
I rolled a Human pally, cos none of the other races felt like they deserved to be pallies. And yes, my other 3 chars are horde, so now you know exactly how I feel about these things - I've alienated myself from my guildies and my main (Who would otherwise be a very good source of money :-/)
So, what "Feels" right in your hands as a Pally ;-) ?
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If you are a ret, anything 2h with 3.6 weapons swing. If you are Prot 1h + Board. Swords tend to have +spelldamage end game so that is what you tend to get. Holy it is all about 1h mace since that is what will have your +heal.
Myself I always enjoyed the big slow 2h mace swinging when I was leveling Ret.
Myself I always enjoyed the big slow 2h mace swinging when I was leveling Ret.
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sounds like a question of taste to me. you remind me of PUG players that equip the item in the dressing room before they look at the stats and roll on the drop based on whether it color coordinates. this is absurd in a game of math.
but to answer the OP: maces 'belong' to pallies because maces resemble a gavel and pallies uphold the light and judge those unworthy...or something special like that.
similar to warriors get swords, rogues get daggers, hunters get polearms, casters get staves, shammies get fishing poles, and druids get a flea bath.
but to answer the OP: maces 'belong' to pallies because maces resemble a gavel and pallies uphold the light and judge those unworthy...or something special like that.
similar to warriors get swords, rogues get daggers, hunters get polearms, casters get staves, shammies get fishing poles, and druids get a flea bath.
I feel for alliance paladins that the mace feels right. For BE a sword feels right to me. They don't have any of the ideals of the Alliance Paladins, they just want to kill stuff until they are dead and a sword seems fitting to that end.
Having said that... of the 3 BS Craftable epics, it seems the mace is better for the stun proc, since paladins can judge SoC when the stun goes off or get a quick heal in if they are quick enough.
Having said that... of the 3 BS Craftable epics, it seems the mace is better for the stun proc, since paladins can judge SoC when the stun goes off or get a quick heal in if they are quick enough.
Hey, cool reply Capjack... never thought about it like that, but it makes perfect sense ... I've had that feeling, never been able to justify it though.
tommyguns: Yeah - that's exactly what the thread is about ... taste. Please bear in mind that if something (Axe, sword or mace) dropped for me and it was a better weapon for my spec / tyle of play, regardless of what it was, I'll go for it ... I'm not that daft.
This is simply a question of how / where you see a Pally's weapon in Lore. Cap said it perfectly, the mace is the human Pally's weapon ... a sword is a BE Pally's weapon.
Call me a wannabe RPer if that'll help with your reply ;-)
tommyguns: Yeah - that's exactly what the thread is about ... taste. Please bear in mind that if something (Axe, sword or mace) dropped for me and it was a better weapon for my spec / tyle of play, regardless of what it was, I'll go for it ... I'm not that daft.
This is simply a question of how / where you see a Pally's weapon in Lore. Cap said it perfectly, the mace is the human Pally's weapon ... a sword is a BE Pally's weapon.
Call me a wannabe RPer if that'll help with your reply ;-)
Yes, prolly shoulda hit up an RP server.
tommyguns wrote:
you remind me of PUG players that equip the item in the dressing room before they look at the stats and roll on the drop based on whether it color coordinates. this is absurd in a game of math.
Don't diss on my fashion. I'll cut you meng.
The Honorable CapJack wrote:
Having said that... of the 3 BS Craftable epics, it seems the mace is better for the stun proc, since paladins can judge SoC when the stun goes off or get a quick heal in if they are quick enough.
The 2H craftable mace is also .20 slower than the sword and the axe, making for slightly harder hits and SoC procs. The axe's crit rating is a nice suppliment for the Ret tree though. Both features are stereotypical of 2H maces and 2H axes, making them both generally better choices than 2H swords for Ret Pallies. Unfortunate, since I am of the crowd that loves a good 2H sword, but true.
Ret: 2H mace, 2H axe, 2H sword, polearm (in that order for almost every level bracket; there are a few exceptions)
Prot: 1H sword = 1H axe = 1H mace until later in the game, at which point 1H sword > 1H mace > 1H axe.
Holy: 1H mace.
tommyguns wrote:
similar to warriors get swords, rogues get daggers, hunters get polearms, casters get staves, shammies get fishing poles, and druids get a flea bath.
We do NOT have fleas, nor baths to remove any such fleas. Any itching caused by prolonged druid exposure is just the physical manifestation of long buried festering jealousy.
Constant Thorns buffing results in fleas dying in much the way of swarms of little Silithid bugs.
I've always disliked maces. Blunt just ain't my style unless it's some sort of huge hammer that looks extremely cool. But even then, I prefer to make people bleed, even though I like the thought of crushing their bones. I just think the maces in WoW do not reflect that feel very well.
Axes are indeed very unlike Pallies. A large two-handed axe would be my favored weapon (<3 that green glowing axe from huge chain in SMV) but it does not feel quite Paladinish.
Swords are nice, but often too common, especially in their designs. Feels much better than a mace though, especially as a Blood Elf. I also agree with Jack's vision of BE's and swords going all stabby stabby and stuff.
Axes are indeed very unlike Pallies. A large two-handed axe would be my favored weapon (<3 that green glowing axe from huge chain in SMV) but it does not feel quite Paladinish.
Swords are nice, but often too common, especially in their designs. Feels much better than a mace though, especially as a Blood Elf. I also agree with Jack's vision of BE's and swords going all stabby stabby and stuff.
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Call me a wannabe RPer if that'll help with your reply ;-)
sry, didn't mean to sound so blunt. all love :D
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Don't diss on my fashion. I'll cut you meng.
damn purple mages...hows that dress workin for ya?(i ditched my plate skirt a long time ago)
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We do NOT have fleas
wtf you talkin about? droods even have a spell to send their fleas on the enemy's face.
tommyguns wrote:
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Don't diss on my fashion. I'll cut you meng.
damn purple mages...hows that dress workin for ya?(i ditched my plate skirt a long time ago)
My dress doesn't match my shoes. I really need to get out of SSC and go down Mag.
And of course, I'll need the shoulders to match. And a nice offhand that looks cool. And I wonder if they'll recolor my sword for me.
I like em all. I was running with a big 2h Axe for a while on my paladin, and it felt fine .. very savage and all, but quite nice. I guess for "type" I would lean toward maces and swords, but I generally find myself using maces and axes.
tommyguns wrote:
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We do NOT have fleas
wtf you talkin about? droods even have a spell to send their fleas on the enemy's face.
Oh thanks Tommy, now I'll never be able to party with a crit chicken again. Every time they approach me it'll be
"BACK, BACK!!" 'Dude, wtf are you doing?' "Keep your darn dirty fleas back there with the casters!"
Wait...Moonkin throw their fleas all over the enemy...and I tank the enemy...
NEVA AGAIN, CRIT CHICKENS! wtb 1 fleabath pst
I would say 2h maces, if you are ret, and 1h swords if you are prot (with the obvious 1h mace if holy).
I guess its because a one handed mace looks pretty... eh... pathetic to me, you know what I mean? Also because 2h maces are normally huge, and I like their graphics more than swords'.
Then again... I guess I also just love hitting with a mole of metal that lets out a huge smashing sound in the flesh of the victim... hearing the sound when those pussay NE's drop to the ground (Or happily watch gnomes get flown away by the mace). [/goth]
Besides... I just love yelling " HAMMER TIME!!"
:D
I guess its because a one handed mace looks pretty... eh... pathetic to me, you know what I mean? Also because 2h maces are normally huge, and I like their graphics more than swords'.
Then again... I guess I also just love hitting with a mole of metal that lets out a huge smashing sound in the flesh of the victim... hearing the sound when those pussay NE's drop to the ground (Or happily watch gnomes get flown away by the mace). [/goth]
Besides... I just love yelling " HAMMER TIME!!"
:D
I'd have to agree with most people that a good mace is what "feels" most like a Paly to me, and not just any mace, but the 2H kind. That's what the Paladins in WC3 ran around with, and I felt most "at home" at level 60 when I was Ret/Holy and ran around beating things with my 2H. Kind of ironic I'd be saying that since I've been Prot spec with a sword/board ever since the pre-expansion patch was released. Although as such more closely resembles a DandD Paladin, so either way :)
If we're talking aesthetics and lore, I agree with CapJack. Alliance Paladins Ive always thought should carry a hammer of some kind, they are after all Knights of the Hand and the hammer is their iconic weapon. They are fortunate therefore that Deep Thunder is such a great weapon :). A mace in terms of actual combat style (IRL, not WoW where all are the same) is wielded in a slow, steady and careful fashion, again consistent with the principle; maces are typically wielded by much stronger individuals, also.
Blood Elf Paladins are essentially grasping, usurping life-sapping leeches that steal, pillage and defile the Light for their own ends. A blade suits them better, as it's a slightly more 'wicked' form of attack (although whats 'holy' about smashing someone's ribcage to pieces with a lump of stone the size of a small car is beyond me....) and also more damaging for those with less physical strength.
Dont normally go in for RP fap-fests but Im tired and bored :P.
I do wish theyd release some good epic Sindorei-themed weapons and armour, a grown-up version of the Ranseur or Warblade would look gorgeous... or a Spellbreaker glaive of course :)
~sins
Blood Elf Paladins are essentially grasping, usurping life-sapping leeches that steal, pillage and defile the Light for their own ends. A blade suits them better, as it's a slightly more 'wicked' form of attack (although whats 'holy' about smashing someone's ribcage to pieces with a lump of stone the size of a small car is beyond me....) and also more damaging for those with less physical strength.
Dont normally go in for RP fap-fests but Im tired and bored :P.
I do wish theyd release some good epic Sindorei-themed weapons and armour, a grown-up version of the Ranseur or Warblade would look gorgeous... or a Spellbreaker glaive of course :)
~sins
Sinstralis wrote:
(although whats 'holy' about smashing someone's ribcage to pieces with a lump of stone the size of a small car is beyond me....)
Paladins fight undead, and anyone who played Diablo knows the old addage:
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You can cut the flesh, but you must crush the bone.
At least, that's how I look at it.
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(although whats 'holy' about smashing someone's ribcage to pieces with a lump of stone the size of a small car is beyond me....)
I thought it was something about "Thou shalt not shed blood" or something.
I remember it being the creed of the Clerics in D&D, dunno if there is some actual religious belief behind that.
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