Does anyone actually know the threat coefficient Mangle (Bear) gets? I've read x1, x1.3 (on a couple sites), and x1.5 (wowwiki), and I would sincerely like to actually know for my theorycraft.
Also, is it just me, or is Lacerate actually the least efficient move we have among our primary attacks? This is not counting Faerie Fire, Demo Roar, and such debuffs.
It has something like 285 innate threat, and mine hits for <100 damage if I recall. Also, its bleed's threat is greatly reduced. Meanwhile, Maul has +322 innate, and +172 damage, for a total threat addition of ~+494. However, it does reduce rage gen due to the next auto attack being yellow and not white. Mangle is around 500 damage I believe, so that may be ~750 (all before bear multiplier of course).
Oh, and I seem to get "Block" as a result on Lacerate rather often.
I'm just curious for opinions here, as I recently had a prot pally explode because I "wasen't lacerating enough". I kept the stack from fading, but generally favored Mangle over it, and this was a threat starved situation so I really had to choose which attack to use. I kept hate on the monsters just fine, but I'd really like to know if this was ignorance do to the Lacerate's high threat tag, or if he knew something I didn't.
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Edited, Nov 7th 2007 12:30pm by Riftaru
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I've never had a problem with just keeping the stack up and then using Mangle/Maul liberally in between. I try to keep 50 rage on hand before I start tossing Maul in so that I can hit Lacerate more than once in quick succession if I need to (first one misses or whatever) and still have enough to use Mangle every cooldown.
Bear form is 1.3 just like Defensive Stance; with talents it goes up to 1.45 (vs a Warrior's 1.495 with Defiance).
Bear form is 1.3 just like Defensive Stance; with talents it goes up to 1.45 (vs a Warrior's 1.495 with Defiance).
I know the coefficient on bear form, but according to wowwiki mangle has its own coefficient of x1.5, so if you hit for 500 your threat would actually be
500x1.5x1.3 (or x1.45), or 975 (1088) threat.
Wowwiki does mention some older things involving x1.3 and x1, but also that the threat modifier may have been changed since then.
"As of a hotfix on 3/6/07, Mangle (Bear) has a threat modifier of 1.5x damage done.
For v2.1, Mangle (Bear) is slated to be 1.15x normal damage + some (unknown) bonus amount. The threat modifier is also expected to be modified to keep the final threat output roughly the same. "
500x1.5x1.3 (or x1.45), or 975 (1088) threat.
Wowwiki does mention some older things involving x1.3 and x1, but also that the threat modifier may have been changed since then.
"As of a hotfix on 3/6/07, Mangle (Bear) has a threat modifier of 1.5x damage done.
For v2.1, Mangle (Bear) is slated to be 1.15x normal damage + some (unknown) bonus amount. The threat modifier is also expected to be modified to keep the final threat output roughly the same. "
Last I knew mangle has a dam modifier of 1.15X, with a threat modifier that basically brings it to 1.5X.
Given how fast you can stack five lacerates, I find it a very good way to develop threat. Mangle as much as I can, lacerate a few times, mangle again, back to lacerate and once we get to 5 stack, I keep lacerate up to full and mix in mangles and mauls. I usually only go to maul once lacerate is at five... Maul is nice for a single attack but on a 2.5 second timer, it's better to use that downtime on lacerates and always mangling as much as possible.
Edited, Nov 8th 2007 9:22am by pjbairdct
Given how fast you can stack five lacerates, I find it a very good way to develop threat. Mangle as much as I can, lacerate a few times, mangle again, back to lacerate and once we get to 5 stack, I keep lacerate up to full and mix in mangles and mauls. I usually only go to maul once lacerate is at five... Maul is nice for a single attack but on a 2.5 second timer, it's better to use that downtime on lacerates and always mangling as much as possible.
Edited, Nov 8th 2007 9:22am by pjbairdct
In the beginning of a fight I normally dont have much rage (usually 10 to be
exact), so lacerate/mangle is def the way to go for threat, as maul would only
eat all the rage and allow less threat moves.
In my humble opinion, with nothing to back it up whatsoever :)
exact), so lacerate/mangle is def the way to go for threat, as maul would only
eat all the rage and allow less threat moves.
In my humble opinion, with nothing to back it up whatsoever :)
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Mangle has a threat multiplier on it - 30%. So if your mangle does 500 damage, you generate (500) * 1.45 * 1.30 threat, giving a total of 943 threat. It's an instant attack and only costs the rage listed on the tooltip, it won't affect your rage generation otherwise. Spam it every time it's up.
The way I normally open a fight woulde be auto attack, just to get some rage. Then lacerate, lacerate, mangle after this just keep adding lacerate and mangle whenever they're off CD. I never really have problems holding aggro neither do I have rage problems. Remember the threat from lacerate keeps stacking.
This has worked well for me so far. I've tanked all bosses in kara and Gruul this way.
Edited, Nov 9th 2007 7:39am by Grumorg
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I've tanked all bosses in kara and Gruul this way.
Nightbane included? ;P
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Nightbane included? ;P
Fearward ftw :) and misD, and, and... :)
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