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#1 Nov 06 2007 at 10:25 PM Rating: Default
I am playing with a pally on 2vs2! It is supossed to be one of the best 2vs2 combos but some teams really own us!

I usually cant kill an healer before his mana bar is empty! and some classes like rogues can inturrupt my palla mate a lot and kill him pretty fast!

I also hate mages and droods (they spem sheep and ciclone all the time)

What I really want to ask is who should I try to kill 1st! if the have healer I should go for healer 1st or for him mate?
#2 Nov 06 2007 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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first you need better gear apparently. If you can't kill a healer unless his mana bar is empty as a [HOPEFULLY] ms warrior, you are either just really bad or way under geared compared to the opposition
#3 Nov 07 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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A tactic I use with my pally is I auto swing to a full rage bar then interrupt him when he is around halfish health and have my pally come in and stun his *** while I unload.

This normally works fairly well to burst down the healer with my pally judging and shocking to help out. There are exceptions of course.
#4 Nov 07 2007 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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A tactic I use with my pally is I auto swing to a full rage bar


It took me another glance at that to realize that you were talking about your warrior auto swing to a full rage bar. lol The way it is written it looks like you are talking about your paladin auto swinging to a full rage bar...Kind of caught me off guard, but then I put it into context that you were talking about your paladin arena partner.

I also use berserker rage to help fill the rage bar since I'm bound to get hit by one of the two in an arena.
#5 Nov 07 2007 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, what spec are you, and what spec is the paladin? I'd give specific specs, because a Paladin can be "holy" but 41/20/0 for combat healing, or 51/0/10 for a shockadin (i.e. healing with a side of defense vs. healing with some major burst damage).

In addition, I'd like to ask a question...

Me and my pally friend are gonna do arenas when we hit 70. I see 2 options for specs for both of us...which leads to 4 possibilities total: I could go MS or Shield Slam (in other words anti-healer or defensive) and he can go one of the two I mentioned above. Which combination would you guys recommend?
#6 Nov 07 2007 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
I definitely would not go the shield slam route. You just won't produce the burst damage to down your opponents. It might provide a little more survivablity but you probably won't win too many matches. MS adds the burst damage you're looking for and a nice debuff to put on your opponent's DPS (in the case of a healer and dpser in the 2v2) If you are going against two DPS, then you just have nice big numbers. Just make sure to get Death Wish, it's great against warlocks.
#7 Nov 07 2007 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well 2.3 will be out before we get there, so MS will be death wish without going for fury.
#8 Nov 08 2007 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good
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As soon as 2.3 comes I will try 35/5/21 - MS DW Second Wind, Imp Intercept, Last Stand, 10% more armor, Defiance, TM, Cruelty and Concussion Blow (!!!)- it makes a killer specc. I will miss Piercing Howl and Sweeping Strikes but it is worth it.
#9 Nov 08 2007 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Also miss imp slam...on my 39 right now that's where a lot of my damage comes from.
#10 Nov 08 2007 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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As soon as 2.3 comes I will try 35/5/21 - MS DW Second Wind, Imp Intercept, Last Stand, 10% more armor, Defiance, TM, Cruelty and Concussion Blow (!!!)- it makes a killer specc. I will miss Piercing Howl and Sweeping Strikes but it is worth it.


I personally would hate missing piercing howl, booming voice, and commanding presence, but that does sound very interesting. An extra 5 second stun... I could find endless application for that, especially against casters. And last stand will be very useful as well.

Something like this? 35/5/21

Yea... I might see it happening. Rate up
#11 Nov 08 2007 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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The build you posted was 34/6/21 not 35/5/21...

But I think if I were to do arena (and assuming not too many changes to trees besides the nerf to weapon mastery) I'd go with this build. Dropping iron will since that nerfs second wind, and dropping defiance because that does NOTHING in arena. Points could be moved from imp bloodrage to anticipation, but idk how much ant really helps in PvP.
And I don't think piercing howl would be as necessary in arenas as it is in BGs...granted I've never done one, but a lot of times I use it is for getting away from people when I have the flag or for keeping the efc pinned down (didnt use it much when I was farming AB marks mainly because I forgot about it), and in just kill or be killed when there's only up to 2 targets (instead of escaping 3-6) I dont see that it's too big of a loss.
#12 Nov 08 2007 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Pally/Warrior sucks, my 2 v 2 wreck on them in about 3 minutes. Which is awesome considering my average match lasts about 10 minutes.

Get a druid as a partner, a good druid. Warrior/Druid is amazingly good.
#13 Nov 08 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Well mechpriest, maybe that's because your particular group has an advantage against those classes.
#14 Nov 08 2007 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
Just watch mechpriests vid's, his druid partner is sick. I have a druid 2v2 partner, but I'm in all pve gear lol. 4/5 t4...>.< But...my druid partner is feral..and doesnt wanna go resto :'( We still do ok, but there are times where I just get wrecked by the mage and he's still stealthing in like a pussycat, only to get pwnt once he becomes visable. I wish he'd just heal me on those encounters...but...he doesn't get the picture...and apparently cyclone is not a tool he's willing to use...i'll talk to his aussie *** about it though....
#15 Nov 08 2007 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Well this may not go for OP...but for me my arena team is going to be the team I've been levelling with, pally and warrior since lvl 6 (RL Friend who REALLY knows the pally class). He's the only healer I will probably ever use unless I hit raids at 70 (which I probably wont for various reasons). I even had a holy priest DPS because I was going to let buddydin heal lol (actually the HP topped the meters).
#16 Nov 09 2007 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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defiance because that does NOTHING in arena

Having defiance last stand and maybe shield specc + improved shield block will make this a vialable OT / 5 men ibstance tank build = less respeces which is good for my funds ^^.
And as far as I know defiance in 2.3 will lower dodge/parrt of target so it is even usefull.
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And I don't think piercing howl would be as necessary in arenas

Believe me it is very usefull - I don't know if I will be able to chase druids without it for example and slowing all 5 enemies with 1 button press is priceless. It might be even more important after hamstring nerf.
On the other hand last stand and stun will probably help even more.

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and in just kill or be killed when there's only up to 2 targets (instead of escaping 3-6) I dont see that it's too big of a loss.


You definitly need some arena expirience ^^^ Believe me it is not that simple. Those that I want to kill try for some unknown reason to survive :O :P


my build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMcdAbog0kbZVZfVtoh0z

Edited, Nov 9th 2007 4:28am by Krisss
#17 Nov 10 2007 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not saying it isn't useful. I'm saying with a 35/5/21 build post-patch it wouldn't be missed too bad.
#18 Nov 11 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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35/5/21 is a bit too far in prot. A more useful build would be 45/5/11. It gives a good amount of damage paired with last stand. Usually this build would only be fit for 5 v 5 though.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xdAboghdioVZf0t


And also, pigeonman, what videos do i have up of me?




Edited, Nov 11th 2007 11:19am by mechpriest
#19 Nov 11 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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IMO, Endless rage is still not worth it; maybe for raids, where your white damage is boosted by buffs, totems and consumables. Imo, 39/11/11 gives you the best of all 3 trees;

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xdAboghdbZE0zZf0t

Never underestimate the power of Piercing Howl. Never underestimate the power of a 45 yard Demo Shout. Imo, those two > Imp. MS and Endless Rage.

Also, realise its a warrior and a paladin... plate wearing classes with a large chunk of health. The paladin is, imo (yes a lot of things are the way they are imo... I like the abreviation) the strongest single-person-healer. Outlast what ever your fighting. And yes, building rage, then stun/WTF-pwn them is a very good tactic VS almost every healer (not other pallies though...)

/end rant -.-'
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