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#1 Nov 06 2007 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
Greetings everybody. I'm asking this question because I can't beat Druid's in PVP. I'm competent vs any class, but against a druid I just get ran over. When there in bear form my damage drops to nothing. Using MS on them is almost a waste of rage because of how little damage it does. So what do I do? Because I've tried everything but it doesn't seem to work. Here is my Character sheet.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodhoof&n=Feroz

Thanks
#2 Nov 06 2007 at 8:05 AM Rating: Default
this could be due to gear, and level of the druid as they get a 360% ish (cant remember exactly) bonus to amour when in bear so they can have quite a bit of amour with good gear
#3 Nov 06 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Well, since your lvl 45, don't pvp them. Warriors are easy picking for most classes until we actually get gear.

Warriors start to be good at pvp after level 70, when they can acquire those professor plums and mythic oranges.

but if you have to, sunder and demo shout help a lot at lower levels. you should have pummel and zerker stance, so intercept and pummel those heals.

Stay with a healer, protect your healer, your healer is your BFF.
#4 Nov 06 2007 at 12:42 PM Rating: Default
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An equally geared warrior will always be beaten by a decent equally geared feral druid. It's just how it is. Obviously battle grounds and arena are a different thing, but 1 v 1 , feral druids are my 2nd worst enemy next to frost mages.
#5 Nov 06 2007 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Notice that right now there is a bug which means that sunder armor affects base armor! This means that you remove the armor before the druids 360% extra armor is calculated leading to a BIG reduction!

EDIT: just got the word from someone that this has been fixed, though I'm not too sure (summa sumarum: SUNDER the beast anyway)

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 3:57pm by krqllebqlle
#6 Nov 06 2007 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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An equally geared warrior will always be beaten by a decent equally geared feral druid.


Skill > Gear

In PvP.
#7 Nov 06 2007 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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not vs druids. if the druid has half a brain and somewhat comparable gear beating a warrior solo isnt a problem. druid vs warrior is very much like war vs frost mage; even if the war plays perfectly, theres no way he'll win unless his opponent makes a number of mistakes.
#8 Nov 06 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd have to disagree to an extent.

bad gear = can go either way
medium gear = warrior wins
geared out in epics = druid wins

HOWEVER, when the druid starts to get better gear, it's pretty much GG for the warrior. although tclap, sunder and demo shout makes HUGE differences against druids
#9 Nov 07 2007 at 12:17 AM Rating: Good
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Yup, in PVP my Druid (when he is Feral) eats warriors. It is just one of those things. My lock can't beat a warrior unless he gets real lucky.

Rock, Paper, Scissors.

Of course if the warrior has a healer in support my druid is screwed :P

Basically: Find a healer, get him to run around with you, become uber.
#10 Nov 07 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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i have better odds against a druid than a frost mage. i constantly play against one of my best friends who is a druid. the funny thing is, I think he's a better tank, and he thinks I'm the better tank. We're about equally geared (kara grade epics on about half our gear, and good blues on the rest).

While I have a difficult time defeating him, when he's feral, I have consistantly done so. But while he's boomkin, that's a different story. Starfire spams can hurt...
#11 Nov 07 2007 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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no offense to your friend devious, but hes not what i call a "good" druid. the core of druid pvp is that you cant outfox the fox, which is a neat way of saying you cant beat a class at its own game (or at least you shouldnt be able to beat a class at its own game, which is mostly true in WoW). in other words, a boomkin shouldnt ever beat a mage in a straight nuke fest, a cat druid should never beat a rogue or warrior in a straight melee fight (without using bear) and a resto druid shouldnt be able to just outlast other heals (in a straight outlasting fight).

in order to beat another class as a druid, you play your strengths vs that class's weaknesses. thats kinda hard (or near impossible) to do at times, such as a feral trying to beat a warrior using nukes, but it applies to less direct means, such as (in the case of feral vs warrior) proper usage of forms and outlasting. most feral druids ive seen who fight warriors use a very warrior-like mentality, which is to say they get in the fight and they stay in the fight. rarely do i see a druid try to cyclone or root the warrior, get some distance, heal, drop combat, restealth, and jump on the warrior again (a technique that effectively ends it for the warrior).

of all the classes in game, druids of all specs have the best chances of beating any other class. spec alters the general level of success vs a class (resto and feral do better vs mages than boomkin for instance) but overall a druid that knows what s/he is doing has at least a better chance of beating most classes than those classes have of beating the druid.
#12 Nov 07 2007 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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no no. he still does all of that feral or boom. warriors just need to learn how to keep them from healing, and reflecting what they can when they can.

and I still think Skill > gear by a long shot.

Your arguing my point almost. Smiley: wink
#13 Nov 08 2007 at 5:12 PM Rating: Default
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No Devious. Honestly, this can't even be argued about. A fully PvP geared Feral Druid will take out a fully geared PvP warrior with ease. This is considering that both the Warrior and the Druid are good. There are those rare occasions though.
#14 Nov 08 2007 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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rarely do i see a druid try to cyclone or root the warrior, get some distance, heal, drop combat, restealth, and jump on the warrior again (a technique that effectively ends it for the warrior).


Every time I lose to a druid it's because they cycloned me. Not being cocky or whatever but every time a Druid has gone bear against me and head-to-head, unless there was a ridiculous gear difference (blues against Naxx gear come to mind?), they would go down. I agree with the previous post about being unable to beat a dedicated class at it's own game.
#15 Nov 09 2007 at 2:15 AM Rating: Decent
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If I met feral druid with same gear level while I am PvP specced I usually loose easily. I simply cannot get through his armor even with s2 2Her.

I would even say it is nore secure for him to stay bear all the time because in cat/caster form he is going to die fast.

I enter BGs (and even arena once when my team didnt wait for my respec :O) as tank from time to time. What I have found is that I eat rogues and PvP/DPS warriors with ease. They just get dodge/parry/block/miss strings all the time. They are debuffed to oblivion and watch with horor their HP slowly going down while mine is on almost same level. I am being Overpowered by warriors with clue but my base HP and armor is not to be taken down with Overpower :P
The funniest thing is to see a good stunlock rogue burning all his cds to get me stunlocked and killed to get me to max half HP and then been rend hamstring disarmed TCed demoshouted and shield slamed revanged to death unless he makes atempt to flee...

I use full tank gear with PvP trinket while protection specced.
In this setup I tend to have much more chances vs ferals as well,If I make them switch to caster to heal and stun them I tend to win. PvP trinket is kept on for such ocasions.

On the other hand warlocks, s priests and mages can kill me half AFK.
When I am fed up with being toyed by locks I respecc to PvP and cut them to pieces with my big scary 2 Her :P
#16 Nov 09 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Cool story Hansel.
#17 Nov 09 2007 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe it's just me, or I don't pay attention properly, but I don't seem to have a problem beating feral druids. That is when I'm fury spec and dual wielding. When I go 2hand arms, it's a totally different story. My rage generation has much to do with it though, mucho rage in fury, while I have to wait for swing timer to get rage with a slow 2hand.
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