http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVddI0hkgRoZVRIt0Mzf
i figure enough ret goodness to get some dps going, with a good amount of the good prot talents... should work work on the path to 70
how do you more experienced paladins think this will work out?
(note: a hell of a lot of the talent points are moveable, paladin is the only class i really cant decide between this or that talent... but the numbers 33-28 will be staying the same, so any advice about the exact talents i chose, feel free)
thank you in advance
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Do you want to solo through the 60s or do you plan on doing instances as well?
Edit:
Well, let's say you want to do both, because either way your build is really really bad. I know you're in the Rogue forums a lot, your build is equivalent to a rogue trying to spec for both daggers and swords at the same time, what I mean is you are spreading yourself too thin.
Now, if you want to tank instances and still be able to do quests well, I would recommend a spec that just goes enough into Ret to grab SoC. All of the talents after that until Crusader Strike just aren't worth it.
Here's a build to start with at 61:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZV0tIx0zgxqZVbhz
Then moving along, grab Imp. Holy Shield, Avengers Shield, Spell Warding, Etc...
What will help more then talents though is your gear. You should have a tanking set and a ret dps set. A ret set goes for the same gear as an Arms warrior.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 9:14pm by CapJack
Edit:
Well, let's say you want to do both, because either way your build is really really bad. I know you're in the Rogue forums a lot, your build is equivalent to a rogue trying to spec for both daggers and swords at the same time, what I mean is you are spreading yourself too thin.
Now, if you want to tank instances and still be able to do quests well, I would recommend a spec that just goes enough into Ret to grab SoC. All of the talents after that until Crusader Strike just aren't worth it.
Here's a build to start with at 61:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZV0tIx0zgxqZVbhz
Then moving along, grab Imp. Holy Shield, Avengers Shield, Spell Warding, Etc...
What will help more then talents though is your gear. You should have a tanking set and a ret dps set. A ret set goes for the same gear as an Arms warrior.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 9:14pm by CapJack
well mainly solo, tanking when i can... just wanna be viable enough to do both
i plan on leveling always fast 1h /shield
solo: sanc aura, judgement of crusader, seal of righteousness, blessing of sanc or kings depending on situation
basically taking a lil more time per fight to negate some damage, but with fast weapons... proc enchants and a bunch of buffs to holy damage so seal of righteousness is working its magic the best it can
i would definately agree of just to soc if i was gonna use slow 2h to grind.... but im not gonna be
right now im almost 27, got a black knight (fiery) and thats working great.... i take a few mobs at once all higher level then myself and im doing it well (i thought anyways)
so still a no-go here, playing mainly solo but gonna be using 1h/shield to grind? i just figured stacking crit gear and str, let my shield cover the defensive side of my stats, then fast weapon procs more vengence and seal of righteousness... fast effecient damage for 1h/shield
while using the extra dps from the ret tree to help hold aggro, and abilitys like vindacation and eye for an eye to help tank a lil better
mainly going for solo build, that can tank enough when i feel like i wanna instance
not tank build that can level decent, ya kinda get my meaning? so with that said, any advice concerning everything now?
if you got a better build for levling 1h/shield please post it! that would be nice to see!
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 10:48am by mongoosexcore
i plan on leveling always fast 1h /shield
solo: sanc aura, judgement of crusader, seal of righteousness, blessing of sanc or kings depending on situation
basically taking a lil more time per fight to negate some damage, but with fast weapons... proc enchants and a bunch of buffs to holy damage so seal of righteousness is working its magic the best it can
i would definately agree of just to soc if i was gonna use slow 2h to grind.... but im not gonna be
right now im almost 27, got a black knight (fiery) and thats working great.... i take a few mobs at once all higher level then myself and im doing it well (i thought anyways)
so still a no-go here, playing mainly solo but gonna be using 1h/shield to grind? i just figured stacking crit gear and str, let my shield cover the defensive side of my stats, then fast weapon procs more vengence and seal of righteousness... fast effecient damage for 1h/shield
while using the extra dps from the ret tree to help hold aggro, and abilitys like vindacation and eye for an eye to help tank a lil better
mainly going for solo build, that can tank enough when i feel like i wanna instance
not tank build that can level decent, ya kinda get my meaning? so with that said, any advice concerning everything now?
if you got a better build for levling 1h/shield please post it! that would be nice to see!
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 10:48am by mongoosexcore
There is basically two options for solo-grinding as you level up. You can aoe grind the mobs, in which a shield and one-hander is necessary, or you can fight one mob at a time, in which case a heavy 2-hander is necessary. What you described to me in terms of gear would be great if you had a 2-hanader up, but using a sword and shield with what you just described would be much much slower.
If you are dead set on using a sword and shield, then I would suggest the AOE grinding build, as that will net you the most experience, in which case you wouldn't even touch the ret tree for a long time, as other talents in the prot tree would be far more necessary.
As for tanking, you don't need any of the talents in the ret tree to hold aggro, vindication, eye for an eye, and sanc aura really don't help you as much as you think it will.
Now, what you described you can level with, you can pretty much level doing anything you want, I am just assuming you want the most effecient way to level, and I would strongly suggest an AOE grinding build, which focuses way more on the prot talents than the ret talents. Paladins can put out amazing reflection damage, but you have to spec for it, and wasting talents in ret just makes the fights even longer.
Edit:
As for a build, most AOE tanking specs don't really start kicking off until about 35 when you can get a full reckoning thing going, you'll also have enough talents to really take a beating.
Here's a normal AOE grinding build by 35
By 50 you would have a build like this
And something like this by 60 where we are now touching ret.
After that, I think you can freely choose where you want to put your talents, you should have a hang of it by then. These are also builds where you can maximize both your grinding and tanking potential at the same time.
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 9:32am by CapJack
If you are dead set on using a sword and shield, then I would suggest the AOE grinding build, as that will net you the most experience, in which case you wouldn't even touch the ret tree for a long time, as other talents in the prot tree would be far more necessary.
As for tanking, you don't need any of the talents in the ret tree to hold aggro, vindication, eye for an eye, and sanc aura really don't help you as much as you think it will.
Now, what you described you can level with, you can pretty much level doing anything you want, I am just assuming you want the most effecient way to level, and I would strongly suggest an AOE grinding build, which focuses way more on the prot talents than the ret talents. Paladins can put out amazing reflection damage, but you have to spec for it, and wasting talents in ret just makes the fights even longer.
Edit:
As for a build, most AOE tanking specs don't really start kicking off until about 35 when you can get a full reckoning thing going, you'll also have enough talents to really take a beating.
Here's a normal AOE grinding build by 35
By 50 you would have a build like this
And something like this by 60 where we are now touching ret.
After that, I think you can freely choose where you want to put your talents, you should have a hang of it by then. These are also builds where you can maximize both your grinding and tanking potential at the same time.
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 9:32am by CapJack
ahh i see, that would be a difference
i do that sometimes... grab a few things and cons/ret aura and just go thru em 1 by 1
ill look into that then... sounds like it would be fun
i do that sometimes... grab a few things and cons/ret aura and just go thru em 1 by 1
ill look into that then... sounds like it would be fun
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVbhIMbktTsZVcjx00zb
slightly revised, i think this is gonna be what ill work with
thanks for the advice, but sanc aura is just too good sounding to pass up
slightly revised, i think this is gonna be what ill work with
thanks for the advice, but sanc aura is just too good sounding to pass up
Ret aura will do more damage than sanc aura with multiple mobs on you.
Edit: for the love of god finish a talent
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 7:43pm by CapJack
Edit: for the love of god finish a talent
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 7:43pm by CapJack
haha, i like all of them.. rather then pick ill just mix it up!
sanc for killing hard mobs 1 on 1, since i know its gonna happen... my first guy being a rogue ill be tempted to kill elites very often hehe
its more of a fun alt then a serious main, otherwise id prob take your advice a lot more
although you did help out a lot, i appreciate that! :)
sanc for killing hard mobs 1 on 1, since i know its gonna happen... my first guy being a rogue ill be tempted to kill elites very often hehe
its more of a fun alt then a serious main, otherwise id prob take your advice a lot more
although you did help out a lot, i appreciate that! :)
I've been leveling my paladin prot and it's a lot of fun. She's been soloing things by gathering up several mobs at a time. Ret aura, drop consecration, light and wisdom for judgments to keep HP and mana up.
She's a JC so she has the mana owl and the HP stone golems to drop as needed for regen as well.
She's level 50 now and I'm thinking about respeccing her holy at level 60 so she can start grouping up for instances and get used to a support role. I'll miss being able to solo grind like this, though...
As a person with a rogue main who is combat daggers, it's nice to get that Blade Flurry type rush.
-T.
She's a JC so she has the mana owl and the HP stone golems to drop as needed for regen as well.
She's level 50 now and I'm thinking about respeccing her holy at level 60 so she can start grouping up for instances and get used to a support role. I'll miss being able to solo grind like this, though...
As a person with a rogue main who is combat daggers, it's nice to get that Blade Flurry type rush.
-T.
Shameless plug for my favorite build: Protect/Holy.
Keep a good gearset for both tanking and healing and you can do both extremely well in instances and BGs up through the 60s.
Hi there.
First of all, if this is tomuch text, jump to the last line.
I've gone from lvl mid 30 to now 56 as protection - questing mainly with aoe grind, and tanking in instances. With a good strategy it's possible to have an insane xp pr hour as protection. I hardly ever have to drink, eat (maybe once every 10 - 15 min or so). The only thing to remember is to avoid caster mobs (They burn our hp pool down soooo fast).
In my opinion it's a good idear to start as ret (with a slow tw- hander) and stick to that until you can get atleast 2/5 in reckoning. After that respec prot.
Just as cap said (or I actually don't know if he did - to much text, to early, gaaaaah - hehe (sry cap :P)), get a shield with a shield spike, sword of the omen (atainable at lvl 33) (put on crusader enchant. It pays of. I had my SotO from lvl 33 - 50 :P), some spell dmg mail/plate, and start wacking away :D.. It is fun to see a warrior or ret pala pull a single mob from a camp to beat it up in safty, while you just leeroy in pulling the remaining 10 mobs from the camp. When the warr/Ret pala is moving on to his second mob, the protection pala should be done (or close to)with his 10 mobs (this is ofc dependent of the mob type. As stated earlier - cast mobs = no go! :) ).
Same goes with groupquests (that should be close to impossible to do solo), they can be soloed due to the crazy amount of beating a prot can take.
But the thing I actually like most with my prot pala is to provoke rogues/(other melee classes) to attack me - and just watch them get more and more frustrated as they try to kill me :D. (once a rogue got so frustrated that he just ran away from me (after hitting on me for several min's, and all I did was /point /laugh /golfclap) :-P)
This ended up in a lot of. bla. bla bla. tankadin rocks, bla bla bla. For that I'm sorry
Sry for my crappy spelling and gramma - I'm danish and can't help it (NO I'M NOT A COOKIE FAT COPS EAT!)
Edited, Nov 10th 2007 4:15am by ashbazg
Edited, Nov 10th 2007 4:16am by ashbazg
First of all, if this is tomuch text, jump to the last line.
I've gone from lvl mid 30 to now 56 as protection - questing mainly with aoe grind, and tanking in instances. With a good strategy it's possible to have an insane xp pr hour as protection. I hardly ever have to drink, eat (maybe once every 10 - 15 min or so). The only thing to remember is to avoid caster mobs (They burn our hp pool down soooo fast).
In my opinion it's a good idear to start as ret (with a slow tw- hander) and stick to that until you can get atleast 2/5 in reckoning. After that respec prot.
Just as cap said (or I actually don't know if he did - to much text, to early, gaaaaah - hehe (sry cap :P)), get a shield with a shield spike, sword of the omen (atainable at lvl 33) (put on crusader enchant. It pays of. I had my SotO from lvl 33 - 50 :P), some spell dmg mail/plate, and start wacking away :D.. It is fun to see a warrior or ret pala pull a single mob from a camp to beat it up in safty, while you just leeroy in pulling the remaining 10 mobs from the camp. When the warr/Ret pala is moving on to his second mob, the protection pala should be done (or close to)with his 10 mobs (this is ofc dependent of the mob type. As stated earlier - cast mobs = no go! :) ).
Same goes with groupquests (that should be close to impossible to do solo), they can be soloed due to the crazy amount of beating a prot can take.
But the thing I actually like most with my prot pala is to provoke rogues/(other melee classes) to attack me - and just watch them get more and more frustrated as they try to kill me :D. (once a rogue got so frustrated that he just ran away from me (after hitting on me for several min's, and all I did was /point /laugh /golfclap) :-P)
This ended up in a lot of. bla. bla bla. tankadin rocks, bla bla bla. For that I'm sorry
Sry for my crappy spelling and gramma - I'm danish and can't help it (NO I'M NOT A COOKIE FAT COPS EAT!)
Edited, Nov 10th 2007 4:15am by ashbazg
Edited, Nov 10th 2007 4:16am by ashbazg
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