Hello
Been 70 for about 2 weeks and just started arena with my guild team.
One week of 3 x 3 with shadow preist and balance druid we were 0 for 10
2nd week of 2x2 (5 with each) 0 for 5 with druid 1 for 5 with the shadow priest.
Ok so at this point we are gonna slowly collect points for better gear for me.
But the question is should I respec for maybe a mutilate/comabt build or just focus on better equip for my current combat swords build.http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Smolderthorn&n=Vulk
The equip in that build has been upgraded to include the Spymistress Wristguards and Spymistress's Boots.http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28171 and the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28178
I can buy a Blinkstrike sword which would help damage alot but am hesitant if I descide to go with a dagger build for arena. My guild is too young to raid seriously (not enough 70s). So arena, BGs, quests and instances are my only current avenue for upgrades.
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At a quick glance at your profile there are quite a few 5-man upgrades you can get that will really help you in pvp and pve. I would start by focusing on your weapons. Edge of the Cosmos from mech and latro's shifting sword from BM would be substantial upgrades.
Also be aware in the upcomming 2.3 patch you can buy season 1 gear for honor. You can honor grind a full set of epic gear. If you want to actually compete in the arena then I would reccomend getting the honor purchased gear asap. Your first goal for arena should be to strive for around 10k health.
Check out www.shadowpanther.net for a list of upgrades and where they come from.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:17pm by Hatebrood
Also be aware in the upcomming 2.3 patch you can buy season 1 gear for honor. You can honor grind a full set of epic gear. If you want to actually compete in the arena then I would reccomend getting the honor purchased gear asap. Your first goal for arena should be to strive for around 10k health.
Check out www.shadowpanther.net for a list of upgrades and where they come from.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:17pm by Hatebrood
Nevermind
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:17pm by EonSprinter
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:17pm by EonSprinter
It depends.
The most popular Arena build is probably Deep combat maces (with min 41 points in combat and the rest put into assasination). With 2.3 I suspect you'll see Hemo become the next big build in the rogue community.
If you like daggers, there's no reason to stay away from them. Combat and Sub daggers are definitely out of the question though. Mutilate is an oustanding PVP build that many top Arena Rogues have success with. But being as position dependent as it is, you'll be better off with a combat build (swords or maces) if you are new to the class, or if you are a keyboard turner.
The most popular Arena build is probably Deep combat maces (with min 41 points in combat and the rest put into assasination). With 2.3 I suspect you'll see Hemo become the next big build in the rogue community.
If you like daggers, there's no reason to stay away from them. Combat and Sub daggers are definitely out of the question though. Mutilate is an oustanding PVP build that many top Arena Rogues have success with. But being as position dependent as it is, you'll be better off with a combat build (swords or maces) if you are new to the class, or if you are a keyboard turner.
One more thing. 7800 health is abysmal.
Gem and enchant everything with +stam. Once you hit 10K health you can start slowly re-gemming with +resiliance, +hit, +attack power, etc.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:21pm by Vvillain
Gem and enchant everything with +stam. Once you hit 10K health you can start slowly re-gemming with +resiliance, +hit, +attack power, etc.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:21pm by Vvillain
All the recommendations here are gear. Which is true, but that takes time. If you told us *why* you were losing your matches, we could help you with strategy on how to win a little more now. I hope you're just getting unlucky with your matchups. You're better geared than me and my 2v2 (lock) team went 6-4 this last week, so you shouldn't be losing 100% of the time.
Describe what happens when you lose, and you'll get some responses on how to play better strategically. Don't waste your time on +stam if you're always the last one left alive. If people are doubling your priest and leaving you alone the HP isn't what is losing you games.
My advise is to just focus on burning down a clothie, and get crip on warriors to help your priest stay alive. And, like me, work on honor for S1 gear.
Describe what happens when you lose, and you'll get some responses on how to play better strategically. Don't waste your time on +stam if you're always the last one left alive. If people are doubling your priest and leaving you alone the HP isn't what is losing you games.
My advise is to just focus on burning down a clothie, and get crip on warriors to help your priest stay alive. And, like me, work on honor for S1 gear.
Well, at the moment it seems gear > skill > class.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
I would suggest doing what I am doign right now, go and honor grind!
I am trying to stack up honor to the 75k cap in time for 2.3 so I can get a jump in gear, Season 1 rewards as well as vindicator gear.
Me and my partner in 2v2 now do a couple games of arena when we feel like it, if we start losing rating we just head to a BG. Arena = no reward when you lose, BG = honor to get gear.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
I would suggest doing what I am doign right now, go and honor grind!
I am trying to stack up honor to the 75k cap in time for 2.3 so I can get a jump in gear, Season 1 rewards as well as vindicator gear.
Me and my partner in 2v2 now do a couple games of arena when we feel like it, if we start losing rating we just head to a BG. Arena = no reward when you lose, BG = honor to get gear.
Well, at the moment it seems gear > skill > class.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
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Well, at the moment it seems gear > skill > class.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
If you don't have the gear, no matter how good you are, you won't even take down a warlock just sitting there spamming drain life, if he has 400 resilience.
True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
My battlegroups lowest rated 2v2 team has a full merciless paladin in it. Granted his 5v5 team is one of the top, and it seems he does the 2v2 alone, still, proves a point
.I have seen several 4-5 merciless with veteran's and merciless / s1 weapons / offhands etc while the 2:2 im playing in atm is on a mere 1.4k rating (we even faced them below 1.4k I think, not 100% sure).
I guess a low rating team got bought to have same fun, cant prove anything anyways thou :P
I guess a low rating team got bought to have same fun, cant prove anything anyways thou :P
You got to remember, Season 2 has been out for a long long time. if you have been doing arena every week since the first day, no matter how ****** your rating, you should have most, if not all, pieces by now.
Which proves:
Skill>Class>Gear
Cuz you can still be very very ****** even in full Merc.
Which proves:
Skill>Class>Gear
Cuz you can still be very very ****** even in full Merc.
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Arena = no reward when you lose
Quite the opposite, in fact. In my mind, it's one of the more controversial aspects of Arena--even if you are very, very bad, you can still get the gear. S3 fixed this to some extent, at least regarding shoulders and weapons.
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True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
As has been already stated, I'm sure some low-rated, high-res toons exist, but his point remains valid: it's gonna be pretty rare and you certainly don't need to plan for it on a 1400-1500 team.
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Arena = no reward when you lose
Quite the opposite, in fact. In my mind, it's one of the more controversial aspects of Arena--even if you are very, very bad, you can still get the gear. S3 fixed this to some extent, at least regarding shoulders and weapons.
I guess you misunderstood, after you do your 10 games, if you start losing games, or don't move up in rating, the more games you do, the less reward you get. But instead if you put that effort into BG's, you will be sitting on 50k+ honor like me, which in turn is better gear. I can now get 3x Gladiator gear with my honor come patch 2.3. Or the vindicator gear.
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True, but I can't imagine there's a lock with 400 res under 1500.
As has been already stated, I'm sure some low-rated, high-res toons exist, but his point remains valid: it's gonna be pretty rare and you certainly don't need to plan for it on a 1400-1500 team.
And if you do your 10games+ for the rating you seem you fit in then do bgs, with the new improved gear you will be able to move up in rating come the gear.
*edit* Even with a spell checker I manage to mis-spell!
Edited, Nov 6th 2007 8:22pm by devzzz
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I guess you misunderstood
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Arena = no reward when you lose
I misunderstood...or you misspoke...ah tomato, tomatoe, let's call the whole thing off.
Back to the questions of the initial poster:
I know what you feel because I've been there too. I started pvping as a Combat Swords rogue, having been told it's been end game. Which is true (given how resilience gimps builds based on crits, such as Muti).
I've however respecced Muti just to try (and have taken a SIGNIFICANT weapon downgrade, going from Brant (Aldor's epic sword) and Latro's (presumably the game's third best offhand) to a mere combo of 71 dps blue daggers). Despite this downgrade, I'm doing much better now since 1) this Muti/Combat gives me a great control and 2) at my level (around 1500), few people are loaded with resilience.
Just to answer your question: yes, you might want to put your swords on the side for some time and use Muti for a while.
Other than that, as stated by others, have an arena team up to collect points each week (requires at least 10 games per week and you participating to 30% of them at least). Even if you've got a ****** rating, you still get a decent amount of points. Note that 2v2 and 3v3 have points penalties as compared to 5v5, so if you can't keep a decent rating, at least do it in a 5v5.
And grind honor as much as you can before 2.3 comes out so that you can purchase S1 stuff when it's out.
Have fun,
nostra
I know what you feel because I've been there too. I started pvping as a Combat Swords rogue, having been told it's been end game. Which is true (given how resilience gimps builds based on crits, such as Muti).
I've however respecced Muti just to try (and have taken a SIGNIFICANT weapon downgrade, going from Brant (Aldor's epic sword) and Latro's (presumably the game's third best offhand) to a mere combo of 71 dps blue daggers). Despite this downgrade, I'm doing much better now since 1) this Muti/Combat gives me a great control and 2) at my level (around 1500), few people are loaded with resilience.
Just to answer your question: yes, you might want to put your swords on the side for some time and use Muti for a while.
Other than that, as stated by others, have an arena team up to collect points each week (requires at least 10 games per week and you participating to 30% of them at least). Even if you've got a ****** rating, you still get a decent amount of points. Note that 2v2 and 3v3 have points penalties as compared to 5v5, so if you can't keep a decent rating, at least do it in a 5v5.
And grind honor as much as you can before 2.3 comes out so that you can purchase S1 stuff when it's out.
Have fun,
nostra
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If Latro's is the 3 off-hand in game for us-can somebody write which one is the first and second?
Luckybone wrote:
If Latro's is the 3 off-hand in game for us-can somebody write which one is the first and second?
Warglaive of Azzinoth.
S1/S2/S3 Gladiator's Quickblades.
Blade of Savagery.
Akil'zon's Talonblade .
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Maybe I dont understand something:/
How S1 sword or even S2 can be better then Blade of Savagery and Akil'zon's Talonblade .
That resilence from S1 for example cannot be better then almast 10DPS more from
Blade of Savagery.
How S1 sword or even S2 can be better then Blade of Savagery and Akil'zon's Talonblade .
That resilence from S1 for example cannot be better then almast 10DPS more from
Blade of Savagery.
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As has been already stated, I'm sure some low-rated, high-res toons exist, but his point remains valid: it's gonna be pretty rare and you certainly don't need to plan for it on a 1400-1500 team.
Actually every week I run into atleast 3+ teams in that bracket where the entire team is 4/5+ merc gear. There are ALOT of people in my battlegroup that raise a team to 2k then sell it and buy a new team and do it over again. So, every week you see a couple of different groups that shouldnt be there and it can make it frustrating.
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As has been already stated, I'm sure some low-rated, high-res toons exist, but his point remains valid: it's gonna be pretty rare and you certainly don't need to plan for it on a 1400-1500 team.
As has been already stated, I'm sure some low-rated, high-res toons exist, but his point remains valid: it's gonna be pretty rare and you certainly don't need to plan for it on a 1400-1500 team.
Actually every week I run into atleast 3+ teams in that bracket where the entire team is 4/5+ merc gear. There are ALOT of people in my battlegroup that raise a team to 2k then sell it and buy a new team and do it over again. So, every week you see a couple of different groups that shouldnt be there and it can make it frustrating.
That's one bummer of a battlegroup. I realize it exists everywhere and in the 100s upon 100s of 2v2 matches I've played (sadly, mostly between 1500-1600), I've certainly seen it, been frustrated by it, and QQd to my teammate about it, but I'd hardly say it was rampant where I play. Dunno, I generally only Armory my opponents if my team gets worked over in a merciless (no pun intended) way, so maybe we've just gotten lucky on some of the OP teams and thus didn't actually check their Armory. This would cause the types of teams you're talking about to be underrepresented in my "empirical" evidence.
Thankfully my 3v3 Lock has been around quite a while and knows his ****. He will just call out Classes and equipment the minute the gates open.
Then its just a matter of what I am told to cheap shot own. I'm sure at ratings above 1600 (I'm new to the team and server) life will get more interesting.
Then its just a matter of what I am told to cheap shot own. I'm sure at ratings above 1600 (I'm new to the team and server) life will get more interesting.
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I've however respecced Muti just to try (and have taken a SIGNIFICANT weapon downgrade, going from Brant (Aldor's epic sword) and Latro's (presumably the game's third best offhand) to a mere combo of 71 dps blue daggers). Despite this downgrade, I'm doing much better now since 1) this Muti/Combat gives me a great control and 2) at my level (around 1500), few people are loaded with resilience.
Well stated Nostra!
I experienced similar performance increases. My 2v2 team typically floats between 1600-1700 and when I switched from Swords to Muti we saw a dramatic increase in wins. While I admit that Muti may not be as good for 2000+ rated teams, I was amazed at how much better we did in our bracket.
Additionally, Muti is way more fun in BG's.
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