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#1 Nov 04 2007 at 6:29 PM Rating: Sub-Default
Ok, so here is my dilema. My current lock is lvl 33, which is not high, but I think that it is enough to have a reasonable grasp for the class. I am also acutely aware of the perception that warlocks have for being ez-mode in both PvE and PvP (and I agree on both counts). While I am not going to switch away from the class since I really enjoy everything that it has to offer, I was wondering (and this seems like a strange question I know): Are there any builds for a warlock that require some skill and may garner some respect as a warlock? For instance, I would rather not go the SL/SL route or SM/Ruin, as these are both roads well travelled.
#2 Nov 04 2007 at 6:53 PM Rating: Default
If you want a warlock but dont want a totally amazing and easy-to-do-anything talent build... I suggest you dont take talents :D













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#3 Nov 04 2007 at 7:00 PM Rating: Default
Play a destruction warlock.
#4 Nov 04 2007 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
Heh that mayb end up being the right answer. But there must be something out there that makes things more interesting then dot/dot/fear/drain, right?


edit: didnt see aquillos post. are destro warlocks gerneally viewed as hard to pvp with?

Edited, Nov 4th 2007 10:02pm by Viash
#5 Nov 04 2007 at 7:47 PM Rating: Default
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#6 Nov 04 2007 at 8:16 PM Rating: Default
There is more to destruction warlock pvp than affliction pvp. But it is still fairly straight foward.

I really don't think your going to get respect as a warlock while pvping. Because it is just too easy compared to many other classes.
#7 Nov 05 2007 at 12:17 AM Rating: Excellent
Just play with em... since you can beat so many other classes so "easily" just ***** with em and **** em off extra without killing them immediately.

Warlock is good but its definatly not the only "EZ-Mode" class in the game. Simplifying the playstyle of a good SL/SL to DoT DoT DoT Fear Drain is like simplifying a Mage to DD DD DD DD DD or a Warrior to Intercept Melee... Anything sounds lame when you put it like that.

While the Warlock is a very potent foe in real PVP and in good PVE, it's NOT the easiest (it may be the most stable) and all three Trees require some form of multitasking and mana mitigation.

As for PVP, 1 enemies easy (unless they have Racials, or Trinkets, or Resists, or good Gear) so take on 4 or 5... unless you're scared. I can assure you in 39 and 49 brackets it's a definate possibility to be able to take on many enemies at once unless they're skilled/geared.

Same goes for PVE. Once I hit 40 for Dark Pact I was taking 3+ monsters at any given time with DoTs and juggling with fears and constantly moving. You can say easy mode all you want but I was pressing twice as many keys as a Rogue/Mage/Warrior/Priest/Druid/Hunter and at least as much as a good Paladin or Shammy, not to mention I was constantly moving stopping periodically to cast Immolate (until I replaced it with UA).

You should aim to earn respect by actually mastering your skills, not shortchanging yourself into sucking so you have to work harder to acheive anything.
#8 Nov 05 2007 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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tzsjynx wrote:

You should aim to earn respect by actually mastering your skills, not shortchanging yourself into sucking so you have to work harder to acheive anything.


+1

You'll get no respect from me by gimping yourself and smack talking people who don't.
#9 Nov 05 2007 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
Viash wrote:
may garner some respect as a warlock?

Being feared beats being respected.
#10 Nov 05 2007 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Earning respect has absolutely nothing to do with what class you play.
Hence how you lost it here among "fellow locks" very fast.

#11 Nov 05 2007 at 6:11 AM Rating: Default
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Destro locks get laughed at in PVP.. until you charge into the center of 10 guys, Shadowfury them, HoT, DC another, then hellfire and pray for a pyroclasm proc.

That's all I could do to any useful effect last night in WSG.. that or die just before the last tick of a dot killed someone. I love those no honor kills.
#12 Nov 05 2007 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
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Go into and instance and banish, seduce, and yo-yo fear two mobs all at the same time while still having you dots tick away on the main target. Ez-mode my ***.
#13 Nov 06 2007 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I don't understand the point of this thread. The OP is complaining that locks are too easy to level and how can he make it harder? Why exactly? I'd much rather play a class that DOESN'T make me wanna pull out my hair while leveling or in a BG.

PVP is the main reason I rolled a warlock. I got really tired of the deadzone around my hunter, it's annoying and "un-fun" in a BG. As opposed to my little lock who whittled down a tauren warrior into a slumped pile of flank steaks last night in WSG. I honestly don't think I've ever had a better time in a BG than those few minutes last night. Ah, the simple pleasures are the best.
#14 Nov 06 2007 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
Lathby, perhaps I did not word it correctly in the original post. The purpose of my post was regarding pvp, and if there is any way, as a warlock, to escape the stigma of being an extremely easy class to pvp with that does not require any skills.
#15 Nov 06 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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if there is any way, as a warlock, to escape the stigma of being an extremely easy class to pvp with that does not require any skills.


All I can say is play your class, and play it exceptionally well... no matter which spec you choose.

The stigma associated with locks will probably never go away. We do have a crazy amount of power, and if played well can be devastating, but that does not mean there is no skill involved. All classes require skill in order to make the most of their abilities. If you're being disrespected as a lock based solely on your choice of class, then I would say that the problem lies more with the other person than with you.

I'd stop worrying so much about others' opinions of your class and play your lock however YOU enjoy it.

Have fun and good luck!

#16 Nov 08 2007 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh that mayb end up being the right answer. But there must be something out there that makes things more interesting then dot/dot/fear/drain, right?


I hate when people say "all locks do are dot/dot/dot/dot/fear." Yes, that is partially correct. For most specs the main source of damage do come from our DoT's. That is what most of our spells are, thank you for covering the type of damage. But what i find stupid about the statement is most other class just instant dmg/instant dmg/instant dmg/instant dmg. Good job i just listed the type of damage you do. Every class is repetitive. There is no difference in what we actually do. We are BOTH clicking on a different button, we are BOTH timing these attacks, and we are BOTH using our classes main source of damage.

To the OP:
You will never escape the criticism that locks get. The second you use fear, others will start to whine. Now if you feel like dueling (where most of the criticism comes from), the best way to spec without using fear would be destro because you have burst damage to make up for it. In the end though, rolling a lock will forever give you problems with others. I find the best way to gain respect is from knowledge of your spec and abilities. The only way im able to gain respect is by beating somebody first in a duel (im an affliction lock) then after they cry about fear, beat them without it.

As a personal opinion though, I will say Locks are the hardest class to maximize your own damage. DoT's need to be put on in a certain order and at a certain time to maximize the amount of time they are on and when you need to reapply them. Shadowbolts in between need to be timed correctly so that you can finish them off and reapply a DoT without losing damage. You need to keep track of all of your spells: the amount of time left, the global CD and cast time to make sure you can get the DoT on at the exact time of the it wearing off, all while keeping track of your health and mana for lifetaps or dark pacts.



Edited, Nov 8th 2007 11:51pm by Tugnus
#17 Nov 08 2007 at 9:40 PM Rating: Good
Tugnus wrote:
beating somebody first in a duel (im an affliction lock) then after they cry about fear, beat them without it.


It's so funny because as Fliction it's still so easy to beat others without using fear... like I said above it's fun to toy with them and CoEx as well as just plain running and Instant DoTing is wonderful, as well as using other techniques to confuse the hell out of them.

I've gotten to a point where people are complaining about my DoTs.

Fact of the matter is, Warlock is by no means "unbeatable" (infact on my Mage I have beaten many a Lock), whining due to lack of skill becomes very annoying.

I hate to say it but, some of these whiners just need to learn to play... seriously.
#18 Nov 13 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
your a ******** nice TROLL.

Love your sentiments about locks being ez mode and should not gardner respect from other classes.
#19 Nov 13 2007 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Viash wrote:
may garner some respect as a warlock?


ohmikeghod wrote:
Being feared beats being respected.


Awesome quote. Very fitting. Rate up for causing my enjoyment ^_^
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