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do you guys even use fericious bite at 70? and do you EVER have any trouble with hunters? im a hunter myself and killed a few druids but so hard ; ; and alos.. i was waiting outside tk for the rest of my guild and for like 20 min saw this feral druid dual several different people... 4/5 merc and the 2h mace even shadow priest and warlock... wtf? u guys the new overpowered class at 70? o_O
I'm only at lvl 65 but I still use FB on occasion. As far as hunters go, I have a lvl 70 hunter and I dueled a friend's 70 druid and I beat him with no problem. Just kept viper sting on him as much as possible and tried to get him to shift forms as much as possible to drain mana. And although I didnt have to use it I could have hit him with scatter shot while he was in form then used scare beast. I still had over half my health left when done.
Jayseejay wrote:
do you guys even use fericious bite at 70?
Sure, why not? If the mob doesn't bleed, it's our highest damage "finishing move", critting for low 2k normally or 3k+ well buffed. And on any mob, if they're close enough to death that FB would finish them off, and you don't mind burning your energy down to zero, just get the fight over with.
I have no trouble at all with hunters because I don't PvP. : )
Edited, Nov 4th 2007 12:12pm by JeeBar
To reinforce JeeBar's post:
Ferocious Bite is good for: 1) Target's immune to bleed & 2) fights that end before full duration of rip.
Ferocious Bite is not a waste of remaining energy if you use it quickly once your energy bar replenishes above 40. Energywatch and Gonffbar are useful in cat form for this very reason.
Ravage, feral faerie fire, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, ferocious bite.
1) The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
Pounce, shred, shred (if crit; shred again), feral faerie fire, rake, mangle, ferocious bite.
2) That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
So when to sue rip? Simple: Save it for elite content or in PvP for those pesky runners.
Ferocious Bite is good for: 1) Target's immune to bleed & 2) fights that end before full duration of rip.
Ferocious Bite is not a waste of remaining energy if you use it quickly once your energy bar replenishes above 40. Energywatch and Gonffbar are useful in cat form for this very reason.
Ravage, feral faerie fire, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, ferocious bite.
1) The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
Pounce, shred, shred (if crit; shred again), feral faerie fire, rake, mangle, ferocious bite.
2) That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
So when to sue rip? Simple: Save it for elite content or in PvP for those pesky runners.
Bordagar wrote:
To reinforce JeeBar's post:
Ferocious Bite is good for: 1) Target's immune to bleed & 2) fights that end before full duration of rip.
Ferocious Bite is not a waste of remaining energy if you use it quickly once your energy bar replenishes above 40. Energywatch and Gonffbar are useful in cat form for this very reason.
Ravage, feral faerie fire, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, ferocious bite.
1) The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
Pounce, shred, shred (if crit; shred again), feral faerie fire, rake, mangle, ferocious bite.
2) That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
So when to sue rip? Simple: Save it for elite content or in PvP for those pesky runners.
Ferocious Bite is good for: 1) Target's immune to bleed & 2) fights that end before full duration of rip.
Ferocious Bite is not a waste of remaining energy if you use it quickly once your energy bar replenishes above 40. Energywatch and Gonffbar are useful in cat form for this very reason.
Ravage, feral faerie fire, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, ferocious bite.
1) The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
Pounce, shred, shred (if crit; shred again), feral faerie fire, rake, mangle, ferocious bite.
2) That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
So when to sue rip? Simple: Save it for elite content or in PvP for those pesky runners.
FB isn't too bad if you pop it quick, but if you're in a raiding environment (high AP, not facing the mob):
Shred does comparable damage (2500 crits vs. 3250 crits for me) as it scales much better with AP. FB is still greater at 5 points but...
A bottomed out energy bar means an extra tick before shredding, since it's not a nice even amount of energy (when talented, which it should be).
Bordagar wrote:
Ravage, feral faerie fire, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, ferocious bite.
The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
The above sequence is my spam for bleed-immune targets (and Dwarves).
My $.02: Even on bleed immune targets, you can do more damage with a Pounce-initiated opening, at least with Brutal Impact. During the pounce stun you can squeeze off faerie fire, mangle 'em, and shred 'em at least one, twice with an OoC proc, and you end up with 3-4 combo points to fire off that FB if ya wanna.
Bordagar wrote:
Pounce, shred, shred (if crit; shred again), feral faerie fire, rake, mangle, ferocious bite.
That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
That sequence more often than not is enough for me to drop any non-heroic level 70'ish mob. Had I used Rip instead of ferocious bite, they'd die within a few seconds once 40 energy was up for another mangle, still leaving 75% of the Rip's duration to waste.
My $.02: When you open with pounce, throw FF on 'em right away to cut their armor and then Mangle 'em to get +30% damage out of those shreds. You can still squeeze in a second shred during the pounce if you get an Omen of Clarity Proc.
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My $.02: When you open with pounce, throw FF on 'em right away to cut their armor and then Mangle 'em to get +30% damage out of those shreds. You can still squeeze in a second shred during the pounce if you get an Omen of Clarity Proc.
I have a really hard time getting the second shred off when OoC procs when I do that combo. With global cooldown I usually am a half sec. too late unless I skip FF until after they're out of pounce stun.
tholkn wrote:
I have a really hard time getting the second shred off when OoC procs when I do that combo. With global cooldown I usually am a half sec. too late unless I skip FF until after they're out of pounce stun.
You have Brutal Impact talent, right? Without that talent it's impossible, there's not nearly enough time during a BI-less pounce stun.
Even with BI you need to have pretty good timing to squeeze in a second Shred on an OoC proc. Not perfect timing, but pretty good. It helps to pounce from behind so you don't lose time swinging around behind them.
And if you're still having trouble landing that second shred then save the FFF for later...it's much more important to get the Mangle in up front for the +30% buff to the shred that you'll definitely have time for and hopefully for the second.
The debate is slowly going OT. But hey! why shouldn't I continue?
I use Pounce>FF>Shred>Shred>Mangle...>FB. I just click damn fast that button so I wouldn't miss the 2nd Shred. A problem might be when the mob parries or dodges (when stunned, I can't understand how they do it,but anyway) or you miss. Then you waste a bit of energy, just enough to prevent the 2nd Shred.
As for the FB usage, I'd say it's worth. Atm, I am lvl 60, and my max FB crit was 3200. That isn't too low, isn't it?
EDIT: too much crit, sorry. 2400 is my max.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:58pm by dragonscale
I use Pounce>FF>Shred>Shred>Mangle...>FB. I just click damn fast that button so I wouldn't miss the 2nd Shred. A problem might be when the mob parries or dodges (when stunned, I can't understand how they do it,but anyway) or you miss. Then you waste a bit of energy, just enough to prevent the 2nd Shred.
As for the FB usage, I'd say it's worth. Atm, I am lvl 60, and my max FB crit was 3200. That isn't too low, isn't it?
EDIT: too much crit, sorry. 2400 is my max.
Edited, Nov 5th 2007 5:58pm by dragonscale
dragonscale wrote:
I use Pounce>FF>Shred>Shred>Mangle...>FB. I just click damn fast that button so I wouldn't miss the 2nd Shred.
Urrrrh? Why save Mangle until AFTER the shreds? You know it boosts Shred damage by 30% right?
Assuming you know that, I can only guess that you'd rather get two 100% Shreds in every time instead of a 130% Shred with a chance at a second 130%.
Personally I'm a gamblin man and mangle first to get my 130% Shred with a chance for a second 130% shred.
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