Oh really? I was not aware. I do not ordinarily play on the PTR so all of my data is coming from the patch notes. I did not see that in the PTR notes or the official 2.3 patch notes, so please feel free to send me the link as I hate posting things while misinformed.
If what you say is true though, then maces would do just as well as fists for sure, but given that most rogues use swords due to better itemization that would be why most specs you see have sword spec instead of mace/fist. But as to would either one do better than swords? That would require someone with both swords and fists to test. Sorry I wasn't more helpful. :-(
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Oh really? I was not aware. I do not ordinarily play on the PTR so all of my data is coming from the patch notes. I did not see that in the PTR notes or the official 2.3 patch notes, so please feel free to send me the link as I hate posting things while misinformed.
If what you say is true though, then maces would do just as well as fists for sure, but given that most rogues use swords due to better itemization that would be why most specs you see have sword spec instead of mace/fist. But as to would either one do better than swords? That would require someone with both swords and fists to test. Sorry I wasn't more helpful. :-(
If what you say is true though, then maces would do just as well as fists for sure, but given that most rogues use swords due to better itemization that would be why most specs you see have sword spec instead of mace/fist. But as to would either one do better than swords? That would require someone with both swords and fists to test. Sorry I wasn't more helpful. :-(
5% more damage on a crit isn't anywhere near as good as 5% crit is, though. For them to be the same you'd need to have a 100% crit rate, which... isn't happening.
Don't have a link offhand but the change is accurate.
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I am noticing that Sword spec is factored into all these calculations. Is hemo not viable when using maces or fists? I am always looking for the max damage raid spec, would hemo mace outperform combat daggers?
Fists works, Maces are bad. There aren't very many Fist weapons out there, though, and finding properly itemized ones outside of Arena gear is nearly impossible.
fist weapons in tbc
blue 70 ones (a good amount of blue 70 ones actually)
heroic shattered rare drop (epix! on par with feltooth eviscerator)
arena s1 (soon to be honor gear)
TK phoenix fist set
arena s2
arena s3
its got some decent itemization, just pvp is the main way to go
blue 70 ones (a good amount of blue 70 ones actually)
heroic shattered rare drop (epix! on par with feltooth eviscerator)
arena s1 (soon to be honor gear)
TK phoenix fist set
arena s2
arena s3
its got some decent itemization, just pvp is the main way to go
Oh it's 5% more crit damage? That will teach me to read at 2 a.m. My bad, yeah that's not nearly as good as flat crit. Is that in addition to the 6% stun proc? That's great for PVP still, but as for PVE definitely swords or fist.
Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
And yeah, it seems to good to be true to be honest. Rogues actually doing the pvp damage they should be doing? Madness.
Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
5/33/23 new cookie cutter pvp spec?
Don't know exactly how you'd design your build, but here was mine. To stick to 23 Sub, I'd have to remove either Prep or Dirty Deeds, which I don't really want. And to stick to 33 Combat, I'd have to give up nerves of steel which seem to good to pass in a pvp perspective. Thus only 3/5 Lethality, I guess it's a better choice for me, but let me know if I'm wrong.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0hZhbEzrVt000RZxrfoMhRo
Also, one question while I'm here: I think I understood from someone's post here that he's trade his maces for swords for a hemo build. Maybe I misread, but is this is true, I'd love to hear why. Might just have missed sth, I don't have time to read all the patch previews.
Thanks,
nostra
nostraaa wrote:
Also, one question while I'm here: I think I understood from someone's post here that he's trade his maces for swords for a hemo build. Maybe I misread, but is this is true, I'd love to hear why. Might just have missed sth, I don't have time to read all the patch previews.
Thanks,
nostra
Maybe because swords are more burst damage than maces? Maces are build for control. And with that kind of build, you want to kill an opponent before you waste all your cooldowns. Well, my thoughts anyway.
Yeah 5/33/23 not so much after all.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhfV0rVt0M0oZxrfoMuRox
Or
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhfV0rVt0M0RZxrfoMuRoh
Depending on how baddly you want nerves of steel.
You can move points around in Combat to get Riposte... but I'm myself not on the Riposte bandwagon yet. Losing imp S&D and Weapon Expertise for it seems like a very high cost to pay.
If the diminishing return on Interupt is true, Imp Kick might not be taken anymore, that'd free up some point.
This thread is 90% about pve, with me and a few other throwing in pvp ;p.
I'm fairly confident he'd switch to sword for pve... mace is still going to own sword in pvp (even more so now actually).
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhfV0rVt0M0oZxrfoMuRox
Or
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhfV0rVt0M0RZxrfoMuRoh
Depending on how baddly you want nerves of steel.
You can move points around in Combat to get Riposte... but I'm myself not on the Riposte bandwagon yet. Losing imp S&D and Weapon Expertise for it seems like a very high cost to pay.
If the diminishing return on Interupt is true, Imp Kick might not be taken anymore, that'd free up some point.
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Also, one question while I'm here: I think I understood from someone's post here that he's trade his maces for swords for a hemo build. Maybe I misread, but is this is true, I'd love to hear why. Might just have missed sth, I don't have time to read all the patch previews.
This thread is 90% about pve, with me and a few other throwing in pvp ;p.
I'm fairly confident he'd switch to sword for pve... mace is still going to own sword in pvp (even more so now actually).
get on the damn riposte bandwagon! i swear itll save ya versus 3 classes
rogues, hunters, and warriors
i promise
you wouldnt even believe how hard i laughed when i riposted a hunter because of his pet and managed to shiv him in time since he couldnt wing clip while disarmed <3
best moment in wow besides doing a raw COS of a pom/pyro or a death coil
rogues, hunters, and warriors
i promise
you wouldnt even believe how hard i laughed when i riposted a hunter because of his pet and managed to shiv him in time since he couldnt wing clip while disarmed <3
best moment in wow besides doing a raw COS of a pom/pyro or a death coil
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