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I'm torn between fire and frost, so, any ideas, also can you guys give me the best specs for 39 pvp with those elements. TYVM. x
Disclaimer:Both elements could be utilized depending on your play-style.
I would suggest frost as many here on formus say its better for pvp due to the snares, freezes and shatter, also im slightly bias because i have a frost mage. Also ice block will remove locks'DoTs which make warlocks more managable or lets you wait and plan your move ,or wait until back-up comes.
Fire can also be used to burn down your oponents but in most cases the survivability you need just isn't there and you have but a few snaring options (blast wave, frost nova and occasional procs of impact)which means melle classes would be able to catch up with you a tear you apart if you dont burn them down quick enough.
P.S.-Sorry for bad sentence structure, hope i could help though.
I would suggest frost as many here on formus say its better for pvp due to the snares, freezes and shatter, also im slightly bias because i have a frost mage. Also ice block will remove locks'DoTs which make warlocks more managable or lets you wait and plan your move ,or wait until back-up comes.
Fire can also be used to burn down your oponents but in most cases the survivability you need just isn't there and you have but a few snaring options (blast wave, frost nova and occasional procs of impact)which means melle classes would be able to catch up with you a tear you apart if you dont burn them down quick enough.
P.S.-Sorry for bad sentence structure, hope i could help though.
Pre-elemental (hell, pre-ice barrier even) it doesn't matter too much in my opinion, either spec works just fine. It's the goodies higher up in the frost tree that make the difference, although ice block is pretty damned nice.
Flip a coin.
Flip a coin.
*Sigh* There is SO much more to mageing than exploding.
Frost will almost always be better for pvp, because of its survivability (the snares and ice block and such) which will let you last longer which in turn is better
Many will say "3 minute mage is the way to go!" but first things first you really need to be higher for that, and second if u can get by their first 30 seconds they are toast. Simple as that.
Many will say "3 minute mage is the way to go!" but first things first you really need to be higher for that, and second if u can get by their first 30 seconds they are toast. Simple as that.
I would say frost as well(big surprise)
Fire is a better damage choice but FN is less cooldown with frost, improved cone of cold is amazing for when your dealing with more than one melee class and ice block is freaking
Fire is a better damage choice but FN is less cooldown with frost, improved cone of cold is amazing for when your dealing with more than one melee class and ice block is freaking
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I've used Fire for AV and seen Frost mages rock in WSG. I'd say Frost would be the best for BGing.
In addition to survivability, you cause much more grief for the other side in BGs:
WSG - There are only 10 on each side, so a fire mage would have more time to be left in the back to pick people off, BUT WSG is about the flag. And nothing annoyed me more trying to get the flag than to be constantly slowed and frozen by blizzard. My shaman ate fire mages for breakfast, the frost mages just left me hungry.
AB - In general there are two types of encounters in AB: by yourself defending or medium to large group duking it out. As a mage your target in either encounter. So frost would really help here.
AV (I guess this doesn't apply for 39, but I'll put it in here for others who will BG at higher levels) - As a fire mage in AV, in large group encounters I found I could do decent damage because it took a while for people to notice me. But as soon as I was defending something smaller (like a mid-field GY) or trying to join the larger group through enemy territory I'd get eaten alive.
In addition to survivability, you cause much more grief for the other side in BGs:
WSG - There are only 10 on each side, so a fire mage would have more time to be left in the back to pick people off, BUT WSG is about the flag. And nothing annoyed me more trying to get the flag than to be constantly slowed and frozen by blizzard. My shaman ate fire mages for breakfast, the frost mages just left me hungry.
AB - In general there are two types of encounters in AB: by yourself defending or medium to large group duking it out. As a mage your target in either encounter. So frost would really help here.
AV (I guess this doesn't apply for 39, but I'll put it in here for others who will BG at higher levels) - As a fire mage in AV, in large group encounters I found I could do decent damage because it took a while for people to notice me. But as soon as I was defending something smaller (like a mid-field GY) or trying to join the larger group through enemy territory I'd get eaten alive.
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I don't PvP so I solo'd to 70 as a fire mage. However, now that I'm doing instances with my guild I had to switch to arcane as I would out damage the tank and always pull agro. Being a fire mage and waiting to do damage so I wouldn't pull agro meant I was there for the finish kill and polymorph only. BORING!
Anyone have a build idea for 39 twink and maybe some gear ideas? I've got this 38 mage I never play because of my two 70s :)
My gear isn't bad (Secca-Sentinels), though you could do a bit better see below. I'd recommend having 2 gear sets - one that emphasizes stam for when you have to fc/aoe zergs, and one that's highly +damage for when you're hunting their fc down (I usually mix and match in AB, depending on what the other team is doing).
I'm mostly set for aoeing/mass cc, killing rogues, and occasionally carrying the flag (if a stalemate develops, give it to your paladin or druid friend). A better staff would be Staff of Jordan with soulfrost, and the new Revelosh's Gloves of the Eagle (+10stam, +8/9 eagle) look nice. Go engineering for the nice spell damage/stam headpiece and trinkets (death ray, dragonling, and net). If you are careful and have xp to spare, you can get the Nifty Stopwatch at 39 also.
Other things to consider
-Level 1 frost nova is just as effective a cc as the max level one. Unless you're just dying to maximize your dps and have mana to spare, use it instead.
-ditto level 1 blizzard, if you put a talent point there. If your frost nova is on cooldown and there's a bunch of idiots headed straight for your flag carrier, or you think there's a rogue lurking around, go ahead and spam it. If you're defending in AB, blizzard won't interrupt people trying to take your flag, but rank 1 arcane explosion will. Remember, you don't have to live forever, but keeping them off the flag until your reinforcements respawn is a good idea.
-frost nova-> cone of cold is great for critting on large and tightly packed groups.
-if they have a bunch of flag room D, there's nothing like talented blizzard->pickup->frost nova-> blink to get you out of there. You used to be able to ice block(drops flag)/cancelaura/pickup to drop dots and CC, but the new 3-second rule* makes that even more risky.
Because there's no frost talent to avoid interruption effects, you're g
*if you drop the flag, you cannot pick it up for another 3 seconds. This really hurt rogue and frost mage flag carriers (and hunters, to a lesser degree). The last patch also slightly buffed druid flag carriers (they no longer have to shift to caster form when changing forms).
/wonders what Blizzard was thinking
Edit: I'll probably respec to this at some point too
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 9:04pm by compyro
I'm mostly set for aoeing/mass cc, killing rogues, and occasionally carrying the flag (if a stalemate develops, give it to your paladin or druid friend). A better staff would be Staff of Jordan with soulfrost, and the new Revelosh's Gloves of the Eagle (+10stam, +8/9 eagle) look nice. Go engineering for the nice spell damage/stam headpiece and trinkets (death ray, dragonling, and net). If you are careful and have xp to spare, you can get the Nifty Stopwatch at 39 also.
Other things to consider
-Level 1 frost nova is just as effective a cc as the max level one. Unless you're just dying to maximize your dps and have mana to spare, use it instead.
-ditto level 1 blizzard, if you put a talent point there. If your frost nova is on cooldown and there's a bunch of idiots headed straight for your flag carrier, or you think there's a rogue lurking around, go ahead and spam it. If you're defending in AB, blizzard won't interrupt people trying to take your flag, but rank 1 arcane explosion will. Remember, you don't have to live forever, but keeping them off the flag until your reinforcements respawn is a good idea.
-frost nova-> cone of cold is great for critting on large and tightly packed groups.
-if they have a bunch of flag room D, there's nothing like talented blizzard->pickup->frost nova-> blink to get you out of there. You used to be able to ice block(drops flag)/cancelaura/pickup to drop dots and CC, but the new 3-second rule* makes that even more risky.
Because there's no frost talent to avoid interruption effects, you're g
*if you drop the flag, you cannot pick it up for another 3 seconds. This really hurt rogue and frost mage flag carriers (and hunters, to a lesser degree). The last patch also slightly buffed druid flag carriers (they no longer have to shift to caster form when changing forms).
/wonders what Blizzard was thinking
Edit: I'll probably respec to this at some point too
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 9:04pm by compyro
If you're planning on dishing out damage as a frost builder, make sure you rack up on spell-damage gear. Frost usually does less damage than fire, so find some +spell damage or +frost spell damage or something like that.
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