Regarding SlamFollow

hy guys... as you can see from my sig i have 2 70 ranged chars (lock and hunter). so i made a melee class.. i have my rogue (he just hit 60 yey!) but he is more of a sneeky ******* :).. i like that.. but i felt that i needed a more of a "in ya face" kinda char.. so .. tada... my warrior dinged to 30.

i just got slam.. going for imp slam (fury with whirlwind axe in my hand (gotta love friends)).

I have read the stikyes.. and the war faq.. but i still don't know how to go by this...i do not fully understand slam..


(quoted from the warr faq)

now.. i do not have WW/MS./BT yet..

so can u guys tell me a nice rotation for grinding?.. i mean.. can i replace swing with HS?.. or something like that since both are next hit..

also pls tell me a good rotation at lvl 36 (when i get ww) and at 40 (BT/MS). ty in advance..

Edit: 1 more thing.. can u pls explayn what is happening at each point in teh quoted text?..... i mean.. i understand that at t(time) t=0 i have my first swing.. at t=0.75 slam..(which resets teh swing timer..) but after that i'm lost.. what does mean

thanks again

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Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 10:56am by Tehnomage

Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 11:01am by Tehnomage

As Technomage said Slam resets the swing timer.

Say your attack speed is 3.6 seconds. Then the timing of your white hits will look unbuffed/unnerfed like this
<hit> 3.6 seconds pauze <hit> 3.6 seconds pauze <hit> 3,6 seconds pauze <hit>

Now for instance u hit (improved) slam lets say 1,3 seconds after your normal white hit hitted :P. This will reset your swing timer. Thus its not another 1,8 seconds before your 2nd white hit but 3,6 seconds. Which is a loss of your white dps by 50%.

<hit> 1,3 seconds pauze <0,5 second cast then SLAM> 3,6 seconds pauze < hit>



The idea is therefore to only use slam when you are specced for it. Otherwise casting it will lower your white dps. Then Slam should be pressed immideately after your white hit to minimize the loss of swing time.


But that's what i get out of it. Correct me if i'm wrong :)

ok ty devioususer..
but i am still w8ing for a explanation of the skill.. and of what i quoted...
and also for my last 2 questions...

(and guys.. pls try to explain as you would to a 6 year old :P)

I have a thinly related question. I use Quartz (my main's a mage and it's a must-have) and I'm not positive how to use it. What I've been doing is trying to hit Slam the instant the autoattack bar is full, but I (think I) read on the o-boards that people start their Slam slightly before the swing timer's up to account for latency. How does that work?

since slam is on GCD, spam slamming is usually not productive, especially if you have imp slam.

slam's math for damage isn't normalized like other attacks.

It's straight up; Slam Damage Bonus + Base Weapon Damage + (Weapon Speed * AP / 14).

While something like MS for 2h is; Skill Damage Bonus + Base Weapon Damage + (3.3 * AP / 14).

So with a slower, think 3.8 speed, you gain more from AP for slam than for MS.

I'll use my own 2h stats, with lvl 70 skills.

2000 AP
Despair (114 DPS, 3.5 Speed) 400 Average Weapon Damage

Slam damage; 140 + 400 + (3.5 * 2000 / 14) = 1040 damage (500 from AP)
MS Damage; 210 + 400 + (3.3 * 2000 / 14) = 1080 damage (471 from AP)

So if we changed the speed of the weapon;

A 4.0 Speed Despair!
2000 AP
114 DPS 4.0 Speed; 456 Average Weapon Damage

Slam; 140 + 456 + (4 * 2000 / 14) = 1167 (571 from AP)
MS; 210 + 456 + (3.3 * 2000 / 14) = 1137 (471 from AP)

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As for the attack rotation. For grinding you probably get less rage than I do, and it depends on your mob... But I tend to gain a lot of white crit and sword spec procs (mucho extra rage gen). And I'm not perfect so getting slam off the INSTANT that a white hit occurs server side is nearly impossible, especially when you consider lag plays a huge impact on slam DPS.

1. Charge
2. White hit
3. MS
4. White hit
5. Slam
6. White hit
7. Slam
8. MS

Rotation goes to sequence 4, if the mob isn't already dead.

Grinding/Leveling you don't have MS, just White hit, slam, white hit, slam, white hit, slam.... I know it's boring, and if you get extra rage (from white crits, unused rage), demo shout, tclap, bshout. But probably not HS.

Slam is the perfect replacement for HS for 2h once you get it. Without losing your next attack, you gain an attack for the same rage cost, with only some loss to your white dps.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 12:39pm by devioususer

Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 1:04pm by devioususer

the second scenario for slam spamming doesn't require imp slam. your GCD and slam cooldown will be equal. 1.5 seconds

having a .5 second cast slam and still having 1 second of GCD left is pointless.

I generally (even with 200ms lag) get within .25 seconds of a white hit for slam. Usually even less.

0 white
0.25 start slam
0.75 finish slam
4.25 white
4.5 start slam
5 finish slam
8.5 white
8.75 start slam
9.25 finish slam
12.75 white
13 start slam
13.5 finish slam
17 white

etc...

so 900 white, no crit, 1040 slam, no crit


13.5 second cycle; 4 white, 4 slam; 7760 damage, 575 dps.

7760 / 13.5 = 575......

i normaly have like a 132 latency. i use "swinger" i think it is, an addon for my swing timer. say my weapon speed is 3.8 and it counts down from 3.8 to 0.0 i'll hit slam at .3-.2 and with the delay between me server and comp i will get white hit and yellow hit pretty much at same time. this helps take the user error out of usieng slam but at sametime you do too soon you just ate a white hit and reset your timer. some times i find it a pain in the *** i found when i was in sm (i'm still only 47) useing hs instead of slam was just about same dps due to waiting on hits and mobs dieing mid swings or before slam hit. solo i love it but normaly use cleave since i normaly have two mobs.