New rogue build.Follow

Not a bad build for pvp I'd say. Although I'd still go for a Combat swords to level up (see in my sig for an exeample).

If you want to stick to your build, I would pass on Imp Gouge for a leveling build.

And if you go that deedp into Combat, why stop 4 points short of Adrenalin Rush, which is probably the best talent in the whole Combat tree.

Also, if you haven't, you should read the stickie (link in my sig), which answers 95% of the questions that a new player has and gives you real solid builds (I'd recommend Combat swords to level up). After you've read that, feel free to ask any additional question.

Building on your idea, I revamped it a bid to come to a mace/sword hemo build which I might try some time soon.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboZhxV0rVtZxMjobhoo

And I actually think that it would be worth sacrificing a few points to get AR... Since I want Prep and Hemo, it has to be at the cost of Relentless strike. Loosing this sucks... but I guess it's still better for me in an arena perspective: I think it's better to have a huge amount of energy (AR) which is kind of an "I win" option to take down one opponent, leaving me and my partner in a 2v1 situation, rather than having a more constant amount of energy throughout the fight via Relentless Strike. And this is even more true since I have Prep and can use AR twice in a single arena fight.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eZhxV0rVzxM0oZxMjobhoo

To the gurus out there, I'd be interested to hear what's your take on this...

nostra

Edit: actually, my question relates very closely to this [quote=ArundelvalEstar]Hemo Build so I'll just continue the discussion there.

Edited, Nov 1st 2007 5:53pm by nostraaa

I have to admit, I've been too busy these days to do my homework properly and haven't read the patch notes. So, if Dirty Deeds is to be so good ... and if 3/3 Setup seems so much better than 2/3 Setup, no problemo my friend, I can live without Ruthlessness.

There you go:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xZhxV0rVzxM0oZxMjohhRo

Or even the following if I drop assassination entirely (remember I focus entirely on 2v2 arena right now, so improved stealth and stealth detection + improved Sap might be key elements for me):

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhxV0rVzxM0oZxMjohGRs

nostra

Edited, Nov 1st 2007 4:45pm by nostraaa

Thanks for the reply and advice.

Sure I'm thinking damage mitigation. Taking less damage is better than taking more ;) But this doesn't mean that damage mitigation is all I'm caring about. Bearing in mind that I'm in a 2v2 with a disc/heal priest, I can afford to take some damage, he's healing me. What I can't afford is not being able to shut down a healer to take him down fast. So Imp Kick would REALLY help. Thus, in my case, Imp Kick > Riposte, or at least is = to it.

But I guess I could combine both ideas (see build below).

As for blind, either I did not read Elusiveness' description correctly, or you did not (or I'm missing sth else): as far as I can tell, Elusiveness reduces the CD by 1.5 min and I think it's a base CD of 5 min if I remember right, so it's down to 3.5 min with Elusiveness.

An arena fight rarely lasts more than 3.5 min so Elusiveness would be totally useless to me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

So that would be:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhbEzrVt000oZxrjohGRo

Oh, one question by the way: Sleigh of hand 2/2 grants 4% reduced chances to be hit by melee attacks or projectiles. 4% is a lot if compared to resilience, but it does not protect against magic attacks and it also reduces only the chances to be hit, not the damage taken (unlike resilience). So not as good as resilience but quite a high percentage (4%) for a mere 2 points. I'm not sure it's worth taking though... as I could instead take 2% of chances to critically hit someone (2/5 Malice) which I think would be better. Same old idea that, as a rogue, you'd rather take skills that increase the damage dealt rathen than skills that decrease the damage taken. In this case, note that Sleigh of Hand has a PVE component (threat reduction) which builds a stronger case if I want to advocate that this is a less useful skill for PVP.

But now that I think of it, it's probably even better to take Nerves of Steel for pvp, so I'll remove Sleigh of Hand and take it:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhbEzrVt000RZxMjohGRo

nostra

Edited, Nov 1st 2007 6:00pm by nostraaa

reduces vanish's 5 min to 3.5
reduces blinds 3 min to 1.5

1.5 is the same cd as bladefist breadth... thats how often youll be able to use blind.... 100% needed for any build gettin prep imo

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you mention your with a pri.... if your worried about shutting down a healer, why not control the healers dps puppet and let your pri mana burn their healer?

besides 2 of healers cant remove poison on demand, (shaman can but has to totem it... rogue can fix that)

wound or mind should fix that issue, druid will be a lil rougher... but then again how many druid heals have a cast time to begin with?

setup and all the anti melee is good for warriors and rogues, but in 2.3 chains arent immune... its half duration

i think just grabbing riposte and du,ping your dodge/setup stuff would be pretty good idea

which leads you into a normal ar/prep build

its a strong build for a reason, id go that route personally

2.3 build link
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhbEzrVt000RZxrfoMhRo

3 loose talent points, spend as you like

i honestly think that build will do you wonders

you dont really need setup for the anti melee aspect, since you got...
a: ghostly strike
b: evasion x2
c: riposte
d: +5% parry, +2% dodge
e: +4% chance melee wont crit you

and hell you even got the stun resist talent, and imp kick..... no slice n dice but raiding doesnt seem to be a concern


thats my advice for you :D

I am still playing with the 2.3 builds myself. Planning on going mace ar/prep but subject to change as I play around with more builds on the PTR. So far the best 2.3 build I have used:

With Riposte

Without Riposte


Edited, Nov 1st 2007 4:19pm by Hatebrood