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#1 Oct 31 2007 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
Hey everyone im an elemental shaman now, have been since i hit 60 and went to outlands, i thnik my gear is ok, i rock in bgs and 3v3 arena teams, usually on top of both the charts in damage but i have noticed that i die very quickly in a 2v2, which is most of what i do because im rarely on my shaman and i only get on to pvp. So i figured that since im the first target in most 2v2 games i cant get a single spell off without having to burn NS i thought about getting a good enhancement set so i could atleast have a chance to get some damage in a 2v2

if the enhance spec is better then what is best 2 hander duel wielding or is it just luck of the windfury and windfury crit? i have reflex blades with a green mace, then i have the warmaul of infused light socketed with a +24 att power gem, which is one of the gems they put in the game that are soulbound gems and so only a 375 JC can make and use them.
#2 Oct 31 2007 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
For pvp, a nice big, Two-Hander with a high top end damage is ideal for the burst damage. I've never really paid attention to arena/pvp builds, but I want to start working on getting my 1h arena axes, so I'm hoping one of the super-shamans here will post a good enhancement arena/pvp build. I'm leaning towards something like this, but I'm not sure where to put the rest of the points. Hehe, oops, /highjack
#3 Oct 31 2007 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
well you said you wanted one handed axes and you dont have duel wield talent, and i noticed you got tidal mastery which really isnt a priority in a enhancement shaman, also you should think about getting unleashed rage, i would use a 40/21 build but this is just me
#4 Oct 31 2007 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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ZilkDS wrote:
well you said you wanted one handed axes and you dont have duel wield talent
PvP with a big fat 2hander to gather points for the 2 axes.
after he gets those )and possiblky a few other pieces' he´ll respec back to a duel wield PvE spec i think.
#5 Nov 01 2007 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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When and if I do arenas (rarely) I team up with a rogue and generally do more healing then anything lol. It works I tank the warrior while he kills his healer, if the other team lacks a healer we generally burst one guy down, we can handle our own ok, but locks are a pain =P

I have heard enhancement can be rough in arena, then again with a good healer I could see it being better then elemental teamed up with a healer, like I said seems like I tank and heal in arenas =P

#6 Nov 01 2007 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
Aethien got it right.
#7 Nov 01 2007 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Generally speaking, Shaman's (Enh or ELem) work best in larger cluster fights PvP (BGs, 5V5s, etc.) battles. When things get more "specific" like 1v1 or 2v2 Shaman's suffer and don't do well.

If you pull up the armory and look up Shaman's in Arena teams...You generally don't find a Shaman of any spec, anywhere in the top 10 (especially in 2v2). 3v3 and 5v5 you'll start to see team combo's that have Elem and Resto specs, but not Enh.

Enh specs are a kiting to death, waiting to happen. Given the fact that most (if not all classes) have some form of reliable CC (and Shaman's have NO form of Anti-CC), this makes things difficult. While Enh burst dmg can be some of the highest in the game, its still based on a 13% gamble. The gamble being that we're reliant on WF procs. Since we lack Anti-CC, lining up all our ducks, so to speak...comes rare. Thus, your relying on someones "mistake", rather than a reliable strategy. Due to the nature of focused, Arena players..."mistakes" are few and far between, so you can see where the problem lies.

Elem tends to have some specific advantages, specially when the team size gets larger. Elem's burst dmg can be scary! Honestly, well geared Elem shaman can put up a very believable arguement to "who does more burst dmg" when comparing shaman specs. The most dmg I've ever done in a single hit as a Shaman was as a Elem (3k+). Factor in the remote possibility (5%) that the cast can be duplicated, and shock following that up...thats alot of dmg! Not to mention that WF procs can't scale up...thus your always stuck at "praying" for the 13% to happen. But, bolt crits CAN scale obviously due to gear, and a hypothetical 30+% and "X" amount of spell dmg can account for more reliable "burst" amounts. Not to mention elem gear helps more with occational PvP healing than straight up enh gear, and thats not a bad thing. Not to mention, having range dmg always helps get in a few hits on someone before then get to melee range. Course, the problem is as you might have noticed, once you got someone in your face, its very difficult to get them outta your face. And when taking a beating, 1.5 seconds becomes very LONG to get a single shot off (assuming you have it talented).

I've played each spec of Shaman for long periods of time, and found the most success in arena (and PvP in general) as a Resto (btw...I HATE the spec, but I give credit to where its due). But, after experiance...I'm partial to suggesting that Resto IS the best PvP shaman class.

This being said...I'm a Enh/Resto now myself, and do the occational Arena with my GF's Dest Lock, or 3v3 with a guildys (generally a mage and another Enh shaman). I can safely say, that these are BAD combinations for arena teams lol! If I had more "choice" of class combination or more time to focus on arena, I believe a "better" class combo with a Shaman (namely Elem or Resto) would be something like a Druid or Warrior. Further more, as I already suggested, find larger arena setups...3v3 or 5v5 for best results. Stray away from 1v1 conflicts as much as possible, generally speaking. This does not mean that your shoe horned into JUST healing, but rather the fact that standing in the background for even a second uncontested, can spell defeat to thoughs who don't respect the range dmg potential of a caster shaman.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Nov 02 2007 at 2:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) actally... eleental can get away when smeone is bashing them if they know what to do, frost shock and drop earthbind, then run with the ouse not the keys, jump and turn BAM you should have room for 3 good LB with a CL ES to top it off.
#9 Nov 02 2007 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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actally... eleental can get away when smeone is bashing them if they know what to do, frost shock and drop earthbind, then run with the ouse not the keys


I have tried this many times and it seems everything that is bashing my face is somebody that is going to slow me the exact same speed so all i would do is run and die

Shaman:frost, earthbind
Warrior:hamstring, intercept
Rogue:crippling, sprint, cloak of shadows
pally:hammer of justice, bubble

I cant think of any more melee classes right now and all of those i listed have a slow, stun effect, or something that can catch up to me with a ability.
#10 Nov 02 2007 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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if the enhance spec is better then what is best 2 hander duel wielding or is it just luck of the windfury and windfury crit?


For PvP a big slow 2-hander is the way to go, you're looking for the biggest possible WF procs you can get, having said that both Enhancement and Elemental suffer in PvP at 70, particularly small group PvP.

Both dps specs have some 5v5 and BG viability but Resto IS far superior for Shaman PvP at 70.

@ Baron von Wulelendamuwi, your PvP build looks great to me, the only thing I would change personally would be the 2 points from Totemic Focus to Imp Reincarnation. I find this ability highly useful in BG's (though obviously unusable in Arena but it needs to be talented for the extra health and mana to be really effective.
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