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#1 Oct 30 2007 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm officially a no-lifer now. My hunter has hit 70!

That's the good news...the bad news is since my guild is so small I'm just gonna level alts instead of hitting end-game content (which, when WotLK comes out, will be a better investment). So now my hunter will be reduced to farm status...but hey I'll still post here!
#2 Oct 30 2007 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
Yea I'm in the same boat with my pally. Hit 70 and then realized that my guild had 2 other 70's and a ton of 20+ toons. So much like you my pally has started to collect a little dust while I run around on my other toons; kinda sucks but I'm guessing that when Lich king comes out, all that epic gear that everyone with huge guilds and spent months and months getting will be outdone by the green quest rewards from Lich King
#3 Oct 30 2007 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
I could be mistaken, but I think Blizzard said something about not repeating what they did with the gear scaling from Azeroth -> Outland. That may well change if Blizzard takes a long time in getting WotLK to store shelves, but at least for the time being I definately can't see myself regreting the time I'm spending to upgrade my gear. There's a lot of content in BC end-game and if the Azeroth -> Outland progression is an indicator of things to come when WotLK comes out, the folks who haven't seen BC end-game by the time folks start flocking to Northrend are probably going to have a hard time rallying people to run even Karazhan, much less the later raid instances.

I had a hard time deciding if I wanted to stick with the guild I leveled my Hunter in or find something that would allow me to continue progressing. After one false start, I ended up forming a guild with some people I had been running level 70 5-mans with. We currently have just barely enough people in our new guild (formed just last week) to assemble a full party for Heroics. (We just got our first Heroic Ramparts clear tonight). In terms of gear progression, it's not that great for me to be running heroics. Minor tweak here and there at best (I got a Rare ring from the last boss in Ramparts tonight that gave me something like +4 Agi and + 4 Stamina at the expense of some hit rating...gogo Surefooted!)

What it does do for me, however, is force me to up my game. Non-heroic level 70 5-mans can be rough depending on who you're with and what you're wearing, but with the exception of the bosses, the fights are pretty formulaic. Big mob by itself (if Fel Overseers in SL)? Tank and spank with a small twist here and there. Groups of trash (excluding some SH pulls)? Designate CC and follow the kill order. Heroics add a bit of a spin on things. For one, mistakes are exceptionally costly. A lot of mobs (ie. most) will one-shot a clothie, and even a reasonably geared mail wearer is good for < 5 seconds toe-to-toe with common trash in a heroic instance. Also, a lot of mobs are simply resistant to CC altogether. It's as much a check of how well you can adapt to different strategies in addition to what kind of gear you're wearing.

A simple mistake like a mistarget and breaking your own trap, trap resist, failure to properly LoS a ranged attacker, etc. will often cause a wipe in a heroic. The margin of error goes from managable -> instant repair bill rather quickly. As a result, I find myself paying much closer attention to my mistakes...they're painful to repeat.

I don't blame you for wanting to stick with your guild. When WotLK comes out, I'm quite confident I'll be well geared to start running Northrend instances right away. Seems like you'll have plenty of time to get your Hunter into some level 70 dungeon blues/purples...WotLK still seems a lengthy ways off.
#4 Oct 30 2007 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Where did bliz say that?
#5 Oct 31 2007 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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I won't mind if they do the greens at 71 type deal. Sure I'm investing a lot of time with my guild. But we are working great as a whole, having a lot of fun together.

That's more important to me. Now where's my epixxxx :P

Grats on 70 btw.
#6 Oct 31 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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skribs wrote:
I'm officially a no-lifer now. My hunter has hit 70!

That's the good news...the bad news is since my guild is so small I'm just gonna level alts instead of hitting end-game content (which, when WotLK comes out, will be a better investment). So now my hunter will be reduced to farm status...but hey I'll still post here!
Grats, Skribs!

But, you might want to think twice about shelving your Hunter for alts just yet. The game has barely begun once you hit 70th. Now you've got about 12 factions to try to get to at least Revered (for Heroic keys) or Exalted (depending on what nice gear or Trade patterns they offer which you covet), plus entirely new and unrevealed quest lines to open up!

Complete the quests hanging out in your log.

Get a Trade or gathering skill up to 375.

Get in the good graces of the Skyguard, Ogri'la, or Netherwing.

Start running your Kara quest chain.

Start running Heroics.

Get your 5k Golds and a Epic flying mount.

Any of those can be a month of solid play time, depending on how fast you can make groups for the group quests involved with each.

So, don't stop working on the Hunter. A fresh 70th has a huge amount of content left to experience.
#7 Oct 31 2007 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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It's not that there's nothing to do, it's that levelling alts will be a much better investment by the time WotLK comes out.

Those quests left over in my book (which I purposefully left about 3 1/2 zones full of quests for me, so I can get the extra gold) will be to fund my regular flying mount (I'll wait for WotLK to come out and reduce the price of epic mounts) and then to fund a couple of alts. Once I get those to 70, their leftover quests will fund my next alts. It's all part of my master plan.

EDIT: My gathering skills were 375 before I hit 65.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 9:09am by skribs
#8 Oct 31 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Congrats on 70!!!!

I did the same thing when my Hunter hit 70.... moved to my alts. My Priest is now 66, but I still bring Wiz out once in a while for a influx of gold. Love that extra gold from quests.

I've been debating on whether or not it would be worth it to start instancing more with WotLK coming out. Our guild is also very small, and my hubby HATES instances with a passion, so I'd be forced to do a PuG. I think I'm going to continue with the rep grind (want that Netherdrake!)and primal farming until the expansion.

Anyway, gratz again.... enjoy the extra cash!
#9 Oct 31 2007 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Who?

WTF?

Imgonnacurlupandcrynow
#10 Oct 31 2007 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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WTF?

Imgonnacurlupandcrynow


<----feeling horribly guilty. Sorry Caldone. I don't know how that happened. I was shocked to see my name in blue, and now green.

I'll go hang my head in shame. :(
#11 Oct 31 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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<----feeling horribly guilty. Sorry Caldone. I don't know how that happened. I was shocked to see my name in blue, and now green.

I'll go hang my head in shame. :(


Meh it's no problem, just kinda dazed and confused at the site of all the (yes there seems to be a recent influx of them) people with under a 100 post count, and they are Sage already >.<

Personally, I mouth off enough and am very forward and brash with what I say so I know I will never be Sage.

The day I make Sage is the day Hell freezes over and starts hosting Ice Ballet classes.
#12 Oct 31 2007 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I mouth off enough and am very forward and brash with what I say so I know I will never be Sage.


ahh... but that, imo, is what makes this forum great. Which is what makes this so damned ironic.
#13 Oct 31 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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Actually I think I was an instant-sage pretty much when I first started here, then I went down to blue then down to orange within my first hundred or so posts. Took me about 1500 posts to get that back up to blue lol.
#14 Oct 31 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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skribs wrote:
...I'm just gonna level alts instead of hitting end-game content (which, when WotLK comes out, will be a better investment)...will be to fund my regular flying mount (I'll wait for WotLK to come out and reduce the price of epic mounts) and then to fund a couple of alts. Once I get those to 70, their leftover quests will fund my next alts. It's all part of my master plan.


I don't understand this mentality at all. "Better investment"? If you just plan on retiring your characters at the level cap anyway, just what are you investing in? You're not investing in the 70 because he'll be basically retired to farm status. You're investing in alts? For what? to get them to 70 so they can be retired, too? Investing in a character that's ready to start leveling at 71 when WotLK does eventually come out?

Nobody really has any idea when WotLK will be out. I just don't understand giving up playing a character simply because eventually the expansion will make some gear obsolete.

For example, rather than get a flying mount in the near future, you'll wait a year until WotLK release. In the meantime, your now farmer 70 will be running around on a land mount. You could really use the flyer now, not a year from now. Great, you save yourself some gold when Blizz inevitably lowers the cost. But, in the meantime, your farmer is not very efficient and you're losing gold by spending time running around on a land mount. What are you saving the gold for?

And, you'll level alts covering the same 1-70 quests that get completely boring after the 2nd or 3rd time, rather than continue to pursue new content on your level 70. I guess you view capping at level 70 as completing the game. There's so much more to do at 70 (as Kompera laid out very nicely) and you have so much more freedom to do what you want.

I understand different people play the game in different ways, it's one of the big strengths of WoW, in my opinion. But, I just don't understand throwing in the towel because of WotLK.

Just curious what this "master plan" of yours is?
#15 Oct 31 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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azwing wrote:

And, you'll level alts covering the same 1-70 quests that get completely boring after the 2nd or 3rd time, rather than continue to pursue new content on your level 70. I guess you view capping at level 70 as completing the game. There's so much more to do at 70 (as Kompera laid out very nicely) and you have so much more freedom to do what you want.


I dont find being 70 a bigger deal than being 20 or 50. I prefer leveling over *endgame* content.
Rep grinding or any other grinding gets even more boring than leveling few alts on same quests.
What is the difference between doing 2-3 times the same quests and killing 50 ethereals for (didnt do it for long so dont remember exact number) 200 rep with consortium when you are like 2/12 revered and aiming exalted? The grind is much more boring and repetitive in my opinion.

There isnt anything much to do at 70 really if you dont have very thick skin and/or lot of friends. All you can solo is grind grind grind (rep, gold, whatever) and there are only few places with maybe 5-6 kinds of mobs worth grinding.
For me the leveling is tons less boring.

You are right, for some of us capping 70 and bit after that IS completing the game. Some quit, some repeat the game they had fun in for 1 or more times.
I am, personally, with one long time 70 and other freshly dinged 69 toon, still somewhere inbetween.

#16 Oct 31 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I don't understand this mentality at all. "Better investment"? If you just plan on retiring your characters at the level cap anyway, just what are you investing in? You're not investing in the 70 because he'll be basically retired to farm status. You're investing in alts? For what? to get them to 70 so they can be retired, too? Investing in a character that's ready to start leveling at 71 when WotLK does eventually come out?

Nobody really has any idea when WotLK will be out. I just don't understand giving up playing a character simply because eventually the expansion will make some gear obsolete.

For example, rather than get a flying mount in the near future, you'll wait a year until WotLK release. In the meantime, your now farmer 70 will be running around on a land mount. You could really use the flyer now, not a year from now. Great, you save yourself some gold when Blizz inevitably lowers the cost. But, in the meantime, your farmer is not very efficient and you're losing gold by spending time running around on a land mount. What are you saving the gold for?

And, you'll level alts covering the same 1-70 quests that get completely boring after the 2nd or 3rd time, rather than continue to pursue new content on your level 70. I guess you view capping at level 70 as completing the game. There's so much more to do at 70 (as Kompera laid out very nicely) and you have so much more freedom to do what you want.

I understand different people play the game in different ways, it's one of the big strengths of WoW, in my opinion. But, I just don't understand throwing in the towel because of WotLK.

Just curious what this "master plan" of yours is?


The master plan is to try to get every one of my alts (except maybe my warrior, but that's a different story) to 70 before WotLK comes out. By "every one of my alts" I mean I'm trying to have all the classes at 70.

I'm not throwing in the towel, I'm simply retiring her until she needs to be called in again. In war, they send soldiers out for a year or so, then bring them back and let other soldiers go. What I would be doing is simply putting my hunter "on leave" until WotLK comes out, or I need to farm.

I used to play FPSes. Do you realize how repetitive it is to play the same map over and over and over again? A single scrimmage game in CS is 30 rounds of doing pretty much the same thing. To get good at a map, me and my friends would do a lot. So the repetitiveness is not really that bad for me.
And like sethy said, grinding rep is repetitive as well. And since I DONT have too many friends in-game that I could get together to do stuff with, I'd be limitted to 5-mans or PvP, which could be fun, but levelling alts would be a better investment for when WotLK comes out.
Not to mention, it's different doing the quests. On a mage I may AoE grind, on a pally I may AoE grind (which are 2 different things), on a hunter it's just pet-shoot-loot, on a lock I may drain tank, etc. Where as if I go to end-game content on a hunter, I'm looking at pet-loot-shoot for the rest of my gaming experience.

And I didnt say I wasn't getting a flying mount. I said I wasn't geting an EPIC flying mount. Meaning I'm not gonna farm up 5k gold to save a bit of time farming (it's a losing investment IMO).

Now onto the better investment aspect of it:
There are 2 options awaiting me now, one is to get geared up for kara, then start the raiding process. I would have to get keyed for heroics and/or do some PvP to get some decent gear, then find a guild that actually has enough people to start hitting the raids AND WHO IS ON THE RAIDS I NEED. Then, assuming I get T5 or T6 gear by the time WotLK comes out, I will probably end up getting level 73-75 greens to replace them, so all that extra time spent on my character will only help me quest for about 3-5 levels, and maybe give me a 50% boost between those levels.
The other option is to level alts. By doing this, when WotLK comes out it may be harder for EACH of my alts to step into northrend, but if you factor in that I would only have to spurt a guy from 70-80 instead of from 1-80. After the next XP comes out, I will have an easier time getting all of my alts to 80 than the person with 1-2 guys in full T6. It also gives me some flexibility...like if the guild needs more healers, instead of trying to recruit one or starting an alt at level 1, I have a level 70 I can bring up to level 80 pretty quick. And if they need a single-target healer, I can level a pally; if they need an AoE healer, a shammy, etc etc.
#17 Oct 31 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah, I share your pain. My lvl 70 has pretty much been reduced to farm status as well. My guild is small with lvl 70's and my server isn't in the "helping other people" mode. I noticed trying to get kara attuned that it took 10 attempts just to get slabs done. Every group broke up cause people had to go "do something" with their guild. I finally gave up on getting the other key frags for now. I am in process of leveling up my hunter, 2 priests, and shaman. I am doing all the content I missed the first time around though, so not doing the same quests over and over. I really miss the fact that no one wants to do pre BC content anymore, and am afraid that will happen when WoTLK comes out. What happens to those of us who haven't been able to see it yet.

Ok, enough crying...


edit...Holy crap, I'm green.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 12:15pm by Xenexia
#18 Oct 31 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Took me about 1500 posts to get that back up to blue lol.
thats because you suck ;)
#19 Oct 31 2007 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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#20 Oct 31 2007 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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But by the time WotLK comes out, the next expansion will be in the works.

Do you plan on parking your characters at 80 in anticipation of 90? It just seems like an endless cycle.

If leveling is what you enjoy, that's great. I guess I just react to the "no-lifer" assessment of level 70. Sure 70 is the current level cap, but in many ways, reaching 70 frees you in so many ways. It's not really an end, but a beginning.
#21 Oct 31 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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True...but lets say when WotLK comes out, my guild really needs a tank. My hunter probably won't do (unless they uber buff pets and/or the BM tree, which would tip the balance) so I could take a warrior/pally/druid to 80 real fast. Or if say I discover while playing I'd rather play a rogue or a mage, I have those options available to quickly hit end-game with one in the future.

And, like I said...I would have to spend a lot of time and effort to get to the end-game stuff anyway...(plus right now I'm so busy with school and work I would have a hard time hitting raids consistently, I can be on for a while at a time but I wouldn't work well with schedules...)
#22 Oct 31 2007 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Go with a Pally Tank, they are the best IMO :) Thus why I am leveling one myself
#23 Oct 31 2007 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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I'm starting off alternating between a pally and a mage (rest one, level the other)
#24 Oct 31 2007 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I really dont get the mentality here either...

There is no telling when WotLK will be out, I believe BC came out
1.5 years after first being announced. You're planning ahead for how you
will be playing in potentially a year from now?

I do realize people would like to try different classes and roles, that's why
I temporarily ditched my resto druid and lvled my hunter, but if you wanna
try all classes, why not just check out test realms?

I know a lot of people diagnosed with altism, but they all spend lots of time
gearing them up and doing endgame content after dinging 70.
I just dont get the 5-year plan :P

Anyway, it's your game, play it your way :)

Guess I just think it's better to live/play in the present.
#25 Oct 31 2007 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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Well, also since I hit 70 so late into TBC that most guilds with the people are hitting raids (and if I were a tank or healer it'd be different, but hunters are easily replaceable with other DPS). If I hit 80 within a bit after WotLK comes out I'd have an easier time getting into raids with those guilds who've got some inactive or slower-levelling members.

My plan isn't simply to get to 70 with everyone and then say "okay I'm done." It's to get to 70 with everyone before progressing further. Since the levels will be built upon in WotLK, whereas the gear will be replaced.
#26 Nov 01 2007 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, that's my plan as well. Although I'm not ambitious enough to say I'll have a 70 of every character =) , I want a healer as my secondary 70.

I watched the Blizzcon video and the one guy (don't flame me for getting his name wrong) Tigole said that feedback they recieved was all very good. He said players were liking the new scaled gear. It made them feel "progression" I believe he said. I've been assuming the gear for WotLK would be the same.
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