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#1 Oct 30 2007 at 4:51 AM Rating: Default
Im curious is the Warlock capable enough to NOT use his pets?
If so what are the drawbacks?
Spec suggestions?
I've soloed to lvl 20 fear kiting (I do group, sometimes) in open lands like Gnomergen(?) entrance and Westfalls however am I wasting my time?
I hear so much about dps from the Locks spells do I really need a pet?

I am willing to grind it out so being a difficult ascend would only make my gaming experience greater. Wish there was a Dark (Shadow) Knight class I guess...
#2 Oct 30 2007 at 4:55 AM Rating: Excellent
Capius wrote:
Im curious is the Warlock capable enough to NOT use his pets?
If so what are the drawbacks?
Spec suggestions?

You are in the wrong class. If you don't want (or were not capable of getting) a pet of any kind, create a mage.
#3 Oct 30 2007 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Beat be by seconds...there is no point to the lock class without a pet. Fear kiting will only get you so far with no pet. Do what you will (I'm seeing this alot more lately like the 'sword locks' and 'no-pet locks'). If you want to do dps without a pet roll a mage and plz leave us older locks our good name. I'm kinda tired of hearing about Locktards.

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 8:58am by DJTripsta
#4 Oct 30 2007 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't that be sort of like rolling a hunter and not having a pet? We get them for a reason.

Do you have a particular reason why you don't want to use your pet?

If you think dying alot would give you the challenge you're looking for then go for it. Yes, locks are extremely capable, but we are still clothies, and I'll say it again.... we are given pets for a reason. As previously stated, roll a mage if you want dps without a pet
#5 Oct 30 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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Great. We have Huntards, Druidiots and now Locktards. Its spreading. Someone please release the next EP so we can escape them to higher level lands at least for a little while. Especially Locktards, since without a pet out I don't think you'll survive past about 20.
#6 Oct 30 2007 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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we can be without pets in raiding pve as the 0/21/40 or 20/21/21 builds, but otherwise we need a pet for both pvp and pve (100% needed for pvp). our class is based around it to much. hunters need pets for extra damage.. but the pet itself rarely ever does much other than attack their target. for us warlocks our pets are our tanks, our crowd control, our anti-caster and our stuns
#7 Oct 30 2007 at 6:23 AM Rating: Default
I can't possibly remember a time when I never used a pet before. >.>
When in a group, I usually have imp out just for the buff (or other pet, if required)...but there are times in a GROUP when my pet dies and I still continue on with whatever I was killing...
#8 Oct 30 2007 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Jenova, how much you have to pay to have a 20/21/21 build??

I guess you meant 19/21/21. ;)
#9 Oct 30 2007 at 7:20 AM Rating: Default
Wow. It's really not that serious just was curious to anyone trying this. Lol the name calling and hostle posting is ridiculous, heh! I pay the same fees as you just wanted to see if this approach was/is viable. Apparently not... simple as that. Just looking for angles with the character choices provided. I get it and you old school Locks I won't embarras your "game" life. Don't have to worry about me posting again, I like to keep the peace.
#10 Oct 30 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
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It's part of the class, not having it is just needlessly gimping yourself. If nothing else, just keep an Imp out Phase Shifted for the Sta Buff and if your Affliction w/Dark Pact a mana battery. Typically, that is what I do, but it is still providing me with extra +sta for staying alive and an endless supply of mana. In PvP, I can't imagine not having my Felpuppy for caster and preventing Rogue sneaking up on me(not that it does much good), or even a VW so I can bubble. A pet is half of you, without it your just a wannabe mage or Shadow Priest. If you want massive caster DPS with a shadowy twist, be a Shadow Priest.

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 11:29am by Lathais
#11 Oct 30 2007 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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The name calling is indeed silly, but it's an internet forum after all.

As for the substance of the OP, I would say "yes, you can, but why would you?". Your pet gives you a lot of advantages. If you are using the n00b Voidwalker setup at lower levels, you have a personal tank, and you can drain hunt. Later on, you can use the succubus or the imp to drain tank. Both of these approaches really cut your downtime to nearly zero and require the use of a pet. And in group settings, the imp is often the best choice due to the stamina buff. The whole class is designed to be used together with a pet, and if you don't have your pet, you are not playing the warlock up to its best potential in any situation, really. Sure, you *can* do things without the pet, but really it is always sub optimal.
#12 Oct 30 2007 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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probably meant 19/21/21 :P or 21/21/19. depends on your crit and hit
#13 Oct 30 2007 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I like my pet(s) because they are the second best company I could find so far in WoW.

#14REDACTED, Posted: Oct 30 2007 at 1:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The idiots are invading Allakhazam!!
#15REDACTED, Posted: Oct 30 2007 at 1:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't listen to em.
#16 Oct 30 2007 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
Except you're talking only about affliction grinding and raid. How about you take a looks around and see what else there is out there. Seduce for PvE, Spell Lock and Devour Magic on PvP, Void Walker for making fun of what ever lock still uses a VW. You WILL use your pets or you will be less effective than locks that DO use their pet, be it for DS, CC, or DP.
#17 Oct 30 2007 at 3:44 PM Rating: Default
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OP.......don't let the Smack frustrate you, after all your posting on a site filled with slap happy pixel killers. In fact, I've been known to post just for the insults, it makes me laugh. Theres lots of times when my MINIONS not out, like when i bite off more than I can chew. Then what? Well, you can either run (not my style), or you can go toe to toe...:)! I spent several days running around whackin things with my stick (staff), building up my skill just for kicks, and I'm hitting around 200+hp per swing (built up my defense too). Granted it's a last resort, but if it comes down to it, this squishy's got a better chance than those softy's that RUUUNNNNN!....:)
#18 Oct 30 2007 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
I appreciate the more informative comments, was just a thought. Played a bit with fear kiting and was wondering if a pet was necessary. Hell guys are AOE'ing Pallys why not a petless Lock? But the Mage comparison about playing without Nova kinda hit it on the head as most Mage forums I read about; this spell is seemingly the "end all say all". I get it.

Shadow Priest sounds good too thanks. That's really what I was looking for a dark twist but on the Alliance end.

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 10:15pm by Capius
#19 Oct 30 2007 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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tzs, i'll agree that afliction locks (why, or why do you just drop the a? how lazy can you be) use imp, but what on earth are you going on about with succy? she's got terrible mana regen and her main abiliy, seduce, has a massive mana cost. generally you'll find afliction locks with their felhound out in the world / pvp and imp for group pve as they both have the best mana regen, the imp will rarely be using its mana itself and the felhound's abilities don't cost much.

on another note, the 'little hp increase' isn't so little in a raid environment and can mean the difference between a tank surviving or dieing. the mana gained through dark-pact over lifetap also isn't so insignificant as it allows for you to regen mana with less worry of death by aoe and less worries of having to self heal yourself back up if your healers prefer to not heal you when you tap.
#20 Oct 30 2007 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
Jeno I can always count on you to back up my own actual opinions even when I present the general opinion. lol.

I like Fliction, just like I like to say Cane Mage... It makes me feel badass (?) lol!

Anyways.

Lets be honest here, Dark Pact's radius is excruciatingly small. It really wont work on a tank in a Raid... no seriously dude just admit it. That being said, it is a decent chunk of HP, and even with the small HP if you hang out with the healer they WILL get the bonus so it's worth something.

I never use Succy for Fliction (yes she has about 30% less SPI which ends up being about 50% of the mana regen of the Imp NOT INCLUDING the fact that she can still be seen/hit AND must cast invis every 3 minutes.) Some Fliction locks (sorry, too lazy for an A again) still like to roll with Succy for her Seduce in emergency.

Also Loki I agree with you almost 100% of the time here, but this Capius kid is obviously interested in not using a pet... I mean... couldn't you tell?? So he's definatly not going Demo... lol... not that hard to figure out dude.
#21 Oct 31 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
Then he's going to be a ****** lock. Just because he's dead set on an idea doesn't mean it's not freaking stupid.
#22 Oct 31 2007 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
Sethy wrote:
I like my pet(s) because they are the second best company I could find so far in WoW.



And the first?!?!
#23 Oct 31 2007 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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the voice in his/her head obviously :P

and about the op again. there are specs which don't use a pet out (they sacrifise them for a bonus) but that spec is purely a solo pve/raiding pve choice. it has little to no viability in pvp and 5man pve (one of the main bonuses of a lock in 5mans is that we can provide 2 'stable' CCs at the same time, seduce and fear)

so yeah, a warlock without a pet is like a warrior without any charges. completely useless except for in a few raiding situations.
#24 Oct 31 2007 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Loki the Sly wrote:
Void Walker for making fun of what ever lock still uses a VW


I assume you're talking about higher level Locks here, because at lower levels (about >29ish) a lot of Locks use VW either as a tank or for the bubble. The bubble is handy in BG I know.

Granted, at higher levels (with Affliction anyway) I found myself using Imp far more even when solo. Occasionally Succy, but mostly my Imp.
#25 Oct 31 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
Its possible, though the only spec that makes it viable is the Destruction Tree. Many high end raiders use a Demo/Destro build where they sac thier succy for more shadow dmg. But for questing and grinding having no pet will be a hastle.
#26 Oct 31 2007 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Inoperante wrote:
Sethy wrote:
I like my pet(s) because they are the second best company I could find so far in WoW.



And the first?!?!


My friend(s), we have been playing together long before WoW.
I blame myself for being stupid and accepting the server Blizzard suggested me at trial and then being lazy to move, so we are Europeans stuck on Australian server.
Good for farming though...

Quote:
Then he's going to be a sh*tty lock. Just because he's dead set on an idea doesn't mean it's not freaking stupid.


Freaking stupid can be sitting in front of your screen and playing games instead of doing something else, for some people... trust me it can look very silly when you get some distance and just watch someone play WoW.
Stupidity can be just different point of view sometimes.

I agree he should expect this kind of answers coming here and asking a question like that - we are all serious gamers, no? :p
But really, if he wants to play naked lock without talents, spells or pet, thats his business after all, he can do with his 19$ (is it 19, I am paying in €) whatever pleases him.

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