We had a prot in our raidFollow

We did Vashj (vials) with our new protection paladin (twistedpower, decent gear, look him up) and I didn't notice any problems, so that was good. Then we didn't have enough to head into BT, so we went to TK, and man did his AoE tanking shine. Especially on the bird packs right before Al'ar. He also tanked the adds on Al'ar flawlessly, as was his adds on Solarian. I was quite impressed, which if you know me, means a lot seeing as how much I knock protection.

At the same time, I still don't think any protection paladin can get the TPS that our warrior main tank does (averages 1000 TPS), so while it was amusing, and he'll be great in Hyjal, I still would never make a paladin a main tank.

No, I agree. I don't consider you jacking my thread at all. That was kinda my point, you just went a little further than I did.

yes and no. my main is only 47 warrior and 29 alt pally but i can tell you already pally handles adds alot easier. with the aoe of pally prot spec so 90% more threat i feel it does more threat than warrior's TC. i dont know though i dont really do the math stuff. but another thing is it's aoe where TC is a max of 4 mobs then you have to demo shout and sunder armor on adds and keep TC on them . where as pally you get threat from aoe and your Damage shield aura seeing it's holy damage does extra threat also. and then later on i think ya get some shield spell sorta the same i dont know havent read too much on pally yet. and yes pally's tend to have less hp from what i hear and less avoidance stuff as warrior so that also plays a role.

Just had a talk on the realm forum about Prot pallies. The third and fourth ranked alliance guilds on the server feel that they are pointless to have, that Warrior/Druids are better.

I tried to make the argument that having at least 1 prot pally per raid force is a good idea since they fill a very important niche and worse comes to worse can throw a healing set on and heal on fights where they aren't needed. The other guilds didn't agree.

I didn't feel like mentioning that my guild has cleared through SSC/TK in 1/3 the time that it took them to progress through it mainly due to having prot pallies for trash like in the eye (the birds you mentioned) or even tanking stuff like the spawns from Alar, Tidewalker, Solarian, etc.

Exactly. And once 2.3 comes out the health thing won't matter. And the nice thing about 10% stamina is that it scales with better gear. (where as the health difference between warriors and pallies is fixed).

I made some rough calculations, and I think about 1100-1200 stamina is the point at which a paladin will overtake a warrior in HP with gear being equal (of course they have a rifle and some better itemization).

Tauren get an additional 5% HP to their max, but even that is surmountable at some point, in theory.

There are few fights which are IMPOSSIBLE for Paladin to tank, but not too many. Reliquary of Souls, whichever phase it is where you need to spell-reflect, and that mana drain boss at Hyjal(Hell, we killed him again last night and I can't remember the name.)


But otherwise, Paladins are just fine for tanking bosses. At least come next patch. ^_^


And I tank on trash/adds for my guild, and strap on my old healing gear when I'm not needed as a tank.

LMAO!

So much hate on these forums... why dont we all calm down and get a big great hug?! :D





P.D: Gogo Tankadins (Sry dilbrt ^^)

A paladin has MT'd everything? Show me the Kaz'rogal MTing then, I'd love to see it. Prejudiced? Maybe, but I have a lot higher regard to players that play to their class' strenghts rather than try to do the thing the class is weaker at. Paladins make great trash/off-tanks, but they have no business being main tanks, period.

No business being main tanks?


Oh, how ignorant.


I'm not saying that they can tank everything, I know they can't, but you just cannot go around saying that Paladins cannot be Main Tanks, when they sure as hell can.(Again, in encounters where its not impossible, f.ex Kaz'rogal like you mentioned)


Illidan has been MTd by Paladin. Archimonde has been Mt'd by Paladin to 15%. Kael'thas has been MT'd by Paladin. Vashj, again, MT'd by Paladin. Need me to go on?

Paladins are far different now than when Blizzard first wrote that stuff, as I'm sure you fully realize. So we can simply discard that comment and assume it has been lost in a vat of rendered pork fat.

There will always be situations where tankadins are at a disadvantage, sure. Just as there will always be situations where warrior tanks (especially since they suffer from mass player-retardation in general) suck the royal pair. But you are seemingly making the assertion that paladins are inferior in general. This is where I have a gripe, and every body of evidence points towards you being in the wrong here.

But regardless, actions speak louder than works. When 2.3 comes out, I will happily pick up my 6 new badge items and roll through Zul Aman carelessly smashing through wave after wave of aoe trash pulls. While the warrior tanks are trying to coordinate the traditional kind of CC (and not the newfangled kind, also known as continuous consecration). And besides, in a 10-man setting it is simply a foolish idea to bring a warrior tank. They offer so little to a raid anyways.

So anyways, my crude, offensive posts generally lead towards one clear, unadultered thesis. Prot pallies poon noobs. Warrior tanks are like Grandma's meatloaf.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 8:04pm by newfangle

i'm only 47 warr and 29 pally but how does the raids work in wow. i raided in eq and we had normaly 2-3 off tanks just to rush to boss or pick up the adds that would spawn with the named the mt or second mt would stay on boss all the time. is raiding in wow that much diff from eq? but haveing mt tank door to finish even not tanking the adds from bosses.