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#1 Oct 29 2007 at 3:32 PM Rating: Default
Ok Im holy pally and have been healing kara for a few months, my guild has gained a few more members and have geared up to where we think we can start runing gruls, my question is this How do I go about healing for a 25 man raid. I currently run thedefult UI and when I run kara I just pull grp two out from the raid menu. But for 25 mans must I pull of all 5 grps, wont that take up the whole screen. Or will I get a healing assignment of some sort. I really have never done any raids over 10 people so I really have no idea what to expect. Any and all tips/hints will be helpfull. Also if I should download a specific UI that would make it easier to see all 25 memebers.

Thanks

P.S. I currently use fishsticks and superior mage oil as consumables any others you reconmend?
#2 Oct 29 2007 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
In the sticky I have 2 downloadable mods for healing. I personally reccomend Grid, it will make your life so much easier. Check out Page 4 under the mods section.
#3 Oct 29 2007 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Not on all fights, I'm sure, but on many fights you'll find yourself healing a single target as your healing is best suited to MT healing.

I use Xperl for seeing the raid well. It works for me.

Fishsticks are great, use an Unstable Flask of the Physician or Elder in Gruul's. I prefer Brilliant Mana Oil to Superior, though.
#4 Oct 29 2007 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
WOOT Another @Me post! Not another one of those lame protadin posts...

Suggested mods for holy paladin:

Grid
Clique
Omen
Deadly Bossmods
Pallypower
#5 Oct 29 2007 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally use X-Perl and it helps out a bunch. You can do a bunch with it as far as raiding goes.


When we're clearing trash in 25-mans, I usually just heal the MT unless I'm directed to do otherwise. Other healing classes are much better at raid healing than Paladins, and any healing put on non-tanks is probably going to end up as wasted mana.

Of course there are exceptions to this, but you can never go wrong healing a tank during trash. Being a Paladin, you'll find that healing the Main Tank will be your job more often than not.
#6 Oct 30 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Decent
If you use grid, it doesn't matter what UI you use. I personally use perl classic
#7 Oct 30 2007 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Mana Oil, Fishsticks, healing elixir, 2nd elixir is personal preference I just use Draenic wisdom right now cause I came into some cheap. Flask of Mighty Restoration if you want to go that route.

The mods already mentioned, I still haven't installed Grid. I am lazy and use healbot. Pally power is a must for raiding pallies.

After growth 8 you only heal MT/OT. If your DPS can't avoid cave ins or patch themselves up after a groundslam they fail as raiders. Your tanks should always be topped off, no room for them to sit at 75% health for 3+seconds at any time especially with 7 healers, so remember tanks first then raid heal.
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#8 Oct 30 2007 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I have had to do a lot of raid healing (as opposed to single target healing - sometimes you do what you have to do...) and I also use the default UI - too lazy to load the heal mods. I don't pull them out by group, though, I pull them out by class - warriors in one window, rogues in another, and so forth. That way I can usually ignore any classes that have their own healing abilities unless they drop to nearly nothing (they usually have the presence of mind to heal themselves if they really need it), and can easily target the ones that are going to be problems - mages for aoe encounters, melee classes for the bosses or mobs that do aoe damage, hunters or priests if they are being used for crowd control, and so forth. It doesn't take long to figure out which classes are going to be taking damage during each encounter.

I've also found that when you're healing, actually being able to see the fight on the screen is sort of secondary. As long as you have a small patch to see through, the rest of the screen can be taken up with health bars without too much trouble.

I agree with Bodhissatva's list of consumables.

edited because I keep missing spelling errors...

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 12:51pm by fledarmus
#9 Nov 09 2007 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I personally use x-perl and love it, I'm currently in Kara but know that it is easily expandable for 25 mans. Also ease of use and installation were very important.
#10 Nov 09 2007 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
not to steal thread but i have a question and it's about healing raids also. my main aint close to raiding nor is my pally wich is soon to be my main i think. anyways.. is there healing chains. those who played eq1 know what i'm talking about. like one person would cast heal then says in a chat casting (heal) on %T (joesombody) next heal to you in 3 sec. or is it just blast as you can blast??
#11 Nov 13 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Default
I used to play EQ as well and no its really nothing like that. I took the advice of the people above and downloaded grid and it shows if some one is already casting a heal on some one. But most of the time if your a pally youll be on a tank with a few other healers in a 25 man and you really cant stop healing him. The heals arnt as big and dont waste as much mana as in EQ.
#12 Nov 17 2007 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Mana Oil, Fishsticks, healing elixir, 2nd elixir is personal preference I just use Draenic wisdom right now cause I came into some cheap. Flask of Mighty Restoration if you want to go that route.

The mods already mentioned, I still haven't installed Grid. I am lazy and use healbot. Pally power is a must for raiding pallies


Brilliant Mana Oil(+26healing 12mp5) is alot better than the tbc Superior Mana Oil(14mp5). Sure the Brilliant mana Oil is generally more expensive, but with all the daily quests you wont miss the few gold extra much.
I'd also go for Flask of Distilled Wisdom over Flask of Mighty Restoration. It will be cheaper to make(fel lotus are 5 times the cost of black lotus on Silvermoon) and give you a bigger mana pool, slight increase in healing(if specced for it) and some extra crit which helps with the mana regen :D

As for the mods, I use decursive, PGB (pally greater blessings) and robocleric (grid based healing - can be used with any class for damage aswell) aswell as the basic mods like omen, dbm and ctraid.
#13 Nov 17 2007 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Mana Oil, Fishsticks, healing elixir, 2nd elixir is personal preference I just use Draenic wisdom right now cause I came into some cheap. Flask of Mighty Restoration if you want to go that route.


I would really go with sporefish instead. Fishsticks aren't that great, paladins get near no benefit from the spirit so half the buff food is wasted, plus I'd wager that you'd get more healing from a fight from the mp5 than you would from plus healing (isn't the coefficient of flash 40%? so you'd only gain 17 healing to your spells). I also would strongly recommend doing the flask of mighty resto unless you're doing bosses your guild has on farm. Sure elixirs are cheap to make, but if you're wiping multiple times while trying to learn a new boss, you'll find out that the price of reapplying your elixirs will meat or beat the price of using a flask really quickly. Plus, again, due to the coefficient, you're actually putting very little true healing into your spells whereas with the flask you're able to get entire extra spells cast. 1 extra spell cast and you'll probably have exceeded any benefit you've gotten from +heal stuff.

epsleon wrote:
Brilliant Mana Oil(+26healing 12mp5) is alot better than the tbc Superior Mana Oil(14mp5). Sure the Brilliant mana Oil is generally more expensive, but with all the daily quests you wont miss the few gold extra much.
I'd also go for Flask of Distilled Wisdom over Flask of Mighty Restoration. It will be cheaper to make(fel lotus are 5 times the cost of black lotus on Silvermoon) and give you a bigger mana pool, slight increase in healing(if specced for it) and some extra crit which helps with the mana regen :D


Black lotus might be cheaper for YOUR server, but on mine black lotus is easily 2x the price of fel lotus. Again, like above, the actual healing you would gain from 26 healing is quite minimal (10 HP to your spells?) whereas any little bit extra mp5 could mean an entire extra heal eventually. That is certainly NOT worth paying extra for. Yes there have been people that have equated crit to mp5, but with your larger int you probably only gaining less than .1 crit, and I'm willing to bet that the extra 2 mp5 wold generate more mana for you over the long-run. As far as the mana pool is concerned, you really should have plenty in the rest of your gear. I have never needed any +int enchants and the only time I have ever had issues running out of mana was when I had to HL spam, and that makes you run out of mana no matter what your mana pool is.
#14 Nov 17 2007 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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One of my friends plays a priest and uses default UI, she just pulls out all the raid groups to cover the screen. As a healer, you dont really need to be too aware of what's going on besides health, unless it's an AoE. As long as you can still tell when certain events go off, you should be fine.
#15 Nov 20 2007 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
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I use the default ui aswell for raids. Not tried healing like that, but I pull all groups out when I'm tanking and don't have an issue with seeing what's going on.

I just have the normal party interface, a small space for debuffs, then two group, one above the other, another small gap, then the other two groups.

Normally you'll get a healing assignment, but if you're not doing anything there's not much reason to not help out the other healers (aslong as you're not wasting all your mana doing it). For Gruul himself make sure the tank and off-tank stay alive as your first priority and then top up the group if that's what you've been asked to do.
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