Aight, so I've looked up the +spell damage and healing formula on wowwiki, which says that ret aura, holy shield, and bosanc gain 5% of your +spell damage. Does this mean that for AoE grinding, I'm pretty much getting an extra 1 damage per 20 SD? Or, if I only have like 240 +SD, that's only like +12 damage? Am I missing something on exactly how it helps AoE grind?
Or is wowwiki wrong on the coefficients?
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I have all the coefficients on the sticky, so you can check them out there. Page 4 I believe
it may seem like a small amount, but that small amount is comming from multiple sources so it adds up.
plus you need to look at the coefficient for consicrate. thats your money maker right there.
half your aoe threat should be from consicrate and the other half from the combined efforts of your aura, blessing, and holy shield.
and the focus target will be smashed in by your seal of Rightous, magnified by your seemingly perma reckoning. of course for that to work you need to say no to CC, break it when you see it. (as long as you know you can live)
the numbers seem small, but they add up. plus all those numbers are also getting multiplied again with rightous fury, when looking at a threat perspective.
plus you need to look at the coefficient for consicrate. thats your money maker right there.
half your aoe threat should be from consicrate and the other half from the combined efforts of your aura, blessing, and holy shield.
and the focus target will be smashed in by your seal of Rightous, magnified by your seemingly perma reckoning. of course for that to work you need to say no to CC, break it when you see it. (as long as you know you can live)
the numbers seem small, but they add up. plus all those numbers are also getting multiplied again with rightous fury, when looking at a threat perspective.
I'm looking sort of from a solo perspective, not a tank perspective. Although it applies to both.
I forgot about the sticky (stupid me, as I complain all the time about ppl not reading it in the hunter forum), although you did leave out ret aura and bosanc.
I forgot about the sticky (stupid me, as I complain all the time about ppl not reading it in the hunter forum), although you did leave out ret aura and bosanc.
spell damage makes consicrate very potent for aoe prot grinding, thats where all your damage will come from.
spell damage makes seal of rightous potent for single target.
everything else is negligable at best.
spell damage makes seal of rightous potent for single target.
everything else is negligable at best.
Ret aura and BoSanc has a 0% coeffecient from what I've read.
I'll include that in the FAQ
I'll include that in the FAQ
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Dividing by 0 always leads to 0. Sanctuary can be argued because it costs mana to cast, however its one shot. The coefficients are calculated per mana/damage "transaction" so to speak. Ret Aura obviously costs nothing.
2 cents.
2 cents.
Well actually dividing by 0 leads to infinity.
I don't have any idea what you just said between that first sentence and that last sentence.
I don't have any idea what you just said between that first sentence and that last sentence.
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Dividing by 0 always leads to 0. Sanctuary can be argued because it costs mana to cast, however its one shot. The coefficients are calculated per mana/damage "transaction" so to speak. Ret Aura obviously costs nothing.
The Coefficents have nothing to do with mana. If I have 100 spell damage and I cast a spell that does 100 damage, I will do 190 damage assuming a 90% coefficient.
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Well actually dividing by 0 leads to infinity.
Actually anything divide by 0 has no real solution. This describes dividing by zero:
Wikipedia wrote:
if you have 10 apples to distribute to one person, each person would receive 10 apples.
We can use this to illustrate the problem of dividing by zero. Say you have 10 apples to distribute to zero people. How many apples does each "person" receive? An attempt to calculate 10/0 becomes meaningless because the question itself is meaningless -- each "person" doesn't receive zero, or 10, or an infinite number of apples for that matter, because there are simply no people to receive anything in the first place. This is why as far as elementary arithmetic is concerned, division by zero is said to be meaningless, or undefined.
We can use this to illustrate the problem of dividing by zero. Say you have 10 apples to distribute to zero people. How many apples does each "person" receive? An attempt to calculate 10/0 becomes meaningless because the question itself is meaningless -- each "person" doesn't receive zero, or 10, or an infinite number of apples for that matter, because there are simply no people to receive anything in the first place. This is why as far as elementary arithmetic is concerned, division by zero is said to be meaningless, or undefined.
Read here, very interesting page.
**There is some higher level math that does use Infinity, but those are far beyond me. Given the incoherent nature of his post, I'm sure AustinTylerDean is not at that level either.
Edited, Oct 30th 2007 3:10pm by ramera
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The Coefficents have nothing to do with mana. If I have 100 spell damage and I cast a spell that does 100 damage, I will do 190 damage assuming a 90% coefficient.
i think he was assuming Blizzards method of deturmining said coefficiant. has something to do with mana use vs dps = % coefficiant.
not that spell damage and % coefficiant alters mana use some how.
Dividing by zero leads to imaginary numbers =p
The coefficients, for the most part, are based on cast time.
Taking the square root of negative numbers leads to imaginary numbers.
Dividing by zero, yes is meaningless. However taking the limit of 10/x as x approaches 0 yields an infinity result.
Dividing by zero, yes is meaningless. However taking the limit of 10/x as x approaches 0 yields an infinity result.
Man I need to go back to math classes I've forgotten all this.
And I tutored pre-cal at a community college when I was 16 lol.
And I tutored pre-cal at a community college when I was 16 lol.
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Dividing by zero, yes is meaningless. However taking the limit of 10/x as x approaches 0 yields an infinity resul
I=Infinity
10/x = I
10/x*x = I*x
10 = I*x
If X=0 than: I * 0 = 10, but anything times 0=0.
well you can't really do that, as that only applies if x does not equal 0 but in this case it does equal zero
---Boring Pre-cal lecture to follow---
A limit means that you take numbers up to that value, the theory being that as you get closer and closer to that number, you can estimate what that number will be.
means you start taking values that get close to 0, but not actually the value 0 as it is undefined.
so, to show by example
10/2 = 5
10/1 = 10
10/0.5 = 20
10/0.1 = 100
10/0.01 = 1000
10/0.0001 = 100000
so as that denominator gets closer and closer to zero (but not actually reaching zero) the resulting number gets larger and larger.
Therefore, as the denominator hits zero, the result will then be infinity.
---Boring Pre-cal lecture to follow---
A limit means that you take numbers up to that value, the theory being that as you get closer and closer to that number, you can estimate what that number will be.
lim 10 x->0 x
means you start taking values that get close to 0, but not actually the value 0 as it is undefined.
so, to show by example
10/2 = 5
10/1 = 10
10/0.5 = 20
10/0.1 = 100
10/0.01 = 1000
10/0.0001 = 100000
so as that denominator gets closer and closer to zero (but not actually reaching zero) the resulting number gets larger and larger.
Therefore, as the denominator hits zero, the result will then be infinity.
only a moron would try to hand out 10 apples to 0 people. i mean thats just asking for some one to ninja loot them. make a pie or something at least.
punkspider wrote:
only a moron would try to hand out 10 apples to 0 people. i mean thats just asking for some one to ninja loot them. make a pie or something at least.
I second that, you are all a bunch of geeky nerds, but you guys know we love you that way, and who else would do all the math that my videogame-rotten brain can not even think about?
But still, shouldn't the topic still be spell damage coefficient... and not infinity numbers?
Edit: Must learn to type slower so typo's dont happen...
Edited, Oct 30th 2007 11:56pm by muffinyumyum
I already answered the spelldamage coeffecient thing, everything else is just icing on the cake ;)
OH and more math stuff, I found how I can make your formula thingy work.
I=Infinity
10/x = I
10/x*x = I*x
10 = I*x
If X=0 than: I * 0 = 10, but anything times 0=0.
OH and more math stuff, I found how I can make your formula thingy work.
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I=Infinity
10/x = I
10/x*x = I*x
10 = I*x
If X=0 than: I * 0 = 10, but anything times 0=0.
10/x = I
10/x*x = I*x
10 = (10*I)*x // anything times infinity is still infinity, so 10*I = I
10 = 10 * (I*x) // distributive property
10 = 10 * (I*0) // set x = 0
10 = 10 // (Infinity * 0 = 1, true story!)
Why does Infinity * 0 = 1?
1/0 = Infinity (As I established earlier)
therefore, 1 = Infinity * 0
god i miss the old school days ^_^ (math i'm doing at collegge sux)
only 1 input...
even if
1/0 = infinity the revers is not true
so Infinity * 0 =/= 1
dont ask me why.. it's what i argued about with one of my teachers .. and lost :( have to look that up..
only 1 input...
even if
1/0 = infinity the revers is not true
so Infinity * 0 =/= 1
dont ask me why.. it's what i argued about with one of my teachers .. and lost :( have to look that up..
X / 0 = No Real Answer
X / Y as Y approaches 0 = infinity
Yeah, I miss the days of "factor X^2+4X=-4"
X / Y as Y approaches 0 = infinity
Yeah, I miss the days of "factor X^2+4X=-4"
Alright, no more math stuff.
Edit: There was math here, but after researching a bit, I found I was basing it off of false pretenses. Infinity * 0 = undefined.
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 12:02pm by CapJack
Edit: There was math here, but after researching a bit, I found I was basing it off of false pretenses. Infinity * 0 = undefined.
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 12:02pm by CapJack
THANK YOU VERY MUCH CAPJACK!
Just made a long post to explain something you said which is not 100% accurate, now you edited your message and it's irrelevant!
Rate down for you!
Because I'm hungry mostly!
Well, not really.
I mean I AM hungry.
Very much so.
Which should not be trifled with.
But no ratedown because of that, sorry, come back another day
Yuval.
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 3:11pm by YuvalR
Just made a long post to explain something you said which is not 100% accurate, now you edited your message and it's irrelevant!
Rate down for you!
Because I'm hungry mostly!
Well, not really.
I mean I AM hungry.
Very much so.
Which should not be trifled with.
But no ratedown because of that, sorry, come back another day
Yuval.
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 3:11pm by YuvalR
Sorry, if I knew you were doing that I wouldn't have erased it, but I wasn't going to leave it up because I now know it wasn't accurate.
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