combat swordsFollow

Well, on my screen it goes:

Extra Swing!

in the middle, but that might just be Scrolling Combat Text.

You can see it in your combat log.

No game sound? Are you crazy Demea? It's invaluable for hunting other rogues.

I play on a carebear server, and I play 10 arena games a week. My need for rogue detection is fairly small.

I've played without game sounds for years, and it's still incredibly trivial to detect Rogues without the stealth sound.

It's true. I always hear them before I see them. Sometimes I hear it but don't see them. But I scan the area wildly the moment I hear it.

It's just a bit more advantage.

okay seeing how the typic of this thread is combat swords ill just ask in here instead of making a new thread.

okay im getting really sick of my aldor rep sword and with spiteblade being a douche ill probably end up with heartless before that damn thing drops.. what i am wondering about is can combat swords proc and make a mace in MH do the extra attack?

i basically have every melee weapon in kara.. fool's bane princes dagger, moroes dagger.. all but spiteblade really, so like above^ im just sick of staring at that ugly *** sword so i was wondering if i put fool's bane in MH and kept sword spec would it cause my mace to get an extra attack? and if not would i really lose that much damage staying combat swords but using fool's bane in my MH?

like i could go combat dagger's but my gear doesnt really have a ton of crit on it, i could also go mutilate with princes dagger and emerald ripper 41/20 but i would full more behind a combat sword build i think, not much crit too.

with aldor sword i sit 456-585dmg 1606ap 16.49hit 22.18crit unbuffed
with fools i sit 466-604dmg 1598ap 15.79hit 22.87
i know above^ doesnt really say much because when im raid buff it's a whole lot different.

anyone know?

I'll answer the last 2 questions...

Yes the sword spec of the sword in your offhand will proc the mace to swing an extra time. However, the DPS drop is more severe than you think as your main hand will swing way more times than your offhand in the course of a fight.

To the poster directly above me, the first boss of Ramparts drops an excellent mainhand called Shadowrend Longblade. As far as an offhand I was using Hanzo Sword until about level 64 or 65 because there weren't any.

There is a very nice offhand dropped by the 2nd boss of Mana-Tombs though.

Seems to me that Footman's thing is way too fast (i.e. it top-end dmg is too low) for a MH sword spec, but I'm still figuring this rogue thing out.

edit: I think my original edit was misleading. Briefly and in general, for sword spec: Slow MH, fast OH.

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 3:36pm by AynLoD

Yes you want a slow MAINhand with the highest top end dmg you can find.

You also want the fastest offhand you can find, and I would say .1 or .2 seconds off the speed of your offhand is easily worth 3-6 DPS on it, although some would disagree.

Keep scouting the AH. There are a ton of green BOE swords that drop and get thrown on the AH. I have not seen a single viable offhand green BOE though...

You might be better off just throwing a fast dagger on your offhand until you can get the sword from Mana-Tombs.

Edit: Fixed the glaring error I made. Thanks for pointing it out Demea.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 8:42pm by Bigdaddyjug

For the AH swords, the Iron Skull Sword of the Bandit (or of Stamina) is a great green BOE. It is level 70 though. 65dps and only costs about 20g on the AH.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=25155
http://www.shadowpanther.net/swords.htm

Edited, Oct 30th 2007 4:51pm by Tromo

No. Fast offhand = more swings. It even hits more often, assuming that you aren't a scrub with 0 +hit.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was a mistake.

You want your mainhand to be as slow as possible with a high damage range. This is because your instant attack(s) are based off of weapon damage range, not speed or DPS. And yes, you'll want the fastest offhand possible, but in reality, a .1 speed difference is trivial if you have to sacrifice other stats to use it.

Assuming that you have an Edge of the Cosmos and a Latro's Shifting Sword (my current weapons), that you only use SS and no other energy-consuming abilities (this is pretty unrealistic), and that your attacks don't miss (a bit less unrealistic, but possible), this is how it breaks down:

1.4 seconds per swing = 1/1.4 SPS (swings per second) = .714 SPS
2.6 seconds per swing = 1/2.6 SPS = 0.385 SPS
40 energy = 4 seconds of regen = 4 seconds per SS = 1/4 SPS = 0.25 SPS

0.385 + 0.25 = 0.635 SPS

0.635 < 0.714

In order for your mainhand to hit as much as your offhand, including SS strikes, it would have to have a speed of 2.15 or faster, and no rogue in their right mind will use a sword that fast in their MH.

Edit: I should mention that this doesn't factor in Combat Potency. With this talent included, the SS calculation changes to:

10 E/sec + (15*.2)/1.4 E/sec = 12.14 E/sec
40/12.14 = 3.29 seconds per swing = 1/3.29 SPS = 0.30 SPS

0.30 + 0.385 = 0.685

0.685 < 0.714

So even with Combat Potency, your off hand will still hit more than your main hand. For them to be equal, you'd have to have a MH with a speed of 2.42 or less. Not as unrealistic, but still, most (sensible) rogues just won't do it.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 10:45am by Demea