I've encountered multiple groups that are all stupid as hell. One time, I was supposed to tank, and a Pally was supposed to heal. He didn't... so I ended up Rejuv+Regrowthing and charging in with Bear form.
Another example... a Warrior was supposed to tank, and I was supposed to heal him. Well guess what? He used Berserker stance with dual-wield and made no attempt to get bonus threat. So I did it yet again: Regrowth+Rejuv and charge in with bear form.
Another time, I was in a PUG where these Warlocks decided it was not only cute to pull with DoT's, but to leave their pets on Aggressive (seeing a lot of this lately), which creates wipes. All but one Warlock walks back to the instance. He expects me to waste my 30 MINUTE COOLDOWN to revive his lazy ***. Needless to say I didn't, and the group doesn't stick.
Has anyone had these points to where your ability as a Druid is abused in its roles?
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What level are you playing at?
Any sub 60th pugs I tried were retarded in my experience, try soloing, get a higher lvl friend to help you or create your own group and make rules and kick moronic people out of group.
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Any sub 60th pugs I tried were retarded in my experience
well my main is only 47 and lots of alts but yes i see alot so far that are retarded. like the rogue on in dm who while we was engaged would sealth off to sap some random mob.
but for the reason for the quoteing is this. just think soon the retarded people aka morons will lvl that much higher once they lower the exp it takes from 20-60 and up the exp you get from quest 30-60. i was hopeing i left most back in sm but i still find them in ZF groups.
Don't worry, some managed to sneak their way into the 70's, so you'll always have to deal with them.
But I agree, the lower the level, the worse it is. I'd just hurry to the Outland if I were you, since most are gone.
But I agree, the lower the level, the worse it is. I'd just hurry to the Outland if I were you, since most are gone.
What I hate is these morons that have a 70 and think that justifies them telling me how to play my class. For example, the priest who had a 70 warrior who kept casting PW:Shield on me and wondering why I couldn't hold aggro. When I had to explain time and time again "No damage taken = no rage = no threat = mobs not making the man worthwhile, dont PW:S me unless I need it" and she said "I have a 70 warrior you dont know your class." Summarized anyway.
Lol, that one is pretty bad. Has that Warr never got PW:S'd in the past or what?
I guess when he's on his Warr he's like "Oh hey, just PW:S me all the time, I won't take no damage and this'll be a breeze!" (With much worse grammar, of course)
I guess when he's on his Warr he's like "Oh hey, just PW:S me all the time, I won't take no damage and this'll be a breeze!" (With much worse grammar, of course)
In Strat once at 70, while healing/caster dpsing in a group with 2 +60's and 2 57-59ish, one of the +60's told me I should be in cat form dpsing.
I've actually done that, cat form while I'm main healer. Granted, it was VC, and the warrior was a bit high (like 25-28 range) but I pretty much put HoT's on then popped into cat form and did the pewpewpew thing. He pulled out a 2H and it was one of the fastest runs I've done with people within the level req for it.
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All but one Warlock walks back to the instance. He expects me to waste my 30 MINUTE COOLDOWN to revive his lazy ***. Needless to say I didn't, and the group doesn't stick.
I hate this. I guess I can understand that not everyone know that druids are not resurrection machines but I've had to yell at a few people to get their *** moving because I will NOT be rezzing them. If that turns me into the big meanie, then so be it - I'll save that rez until it's actually needed.
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Posted: Oct 28 2007 at 2:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Chance for a good pug is about 1/80. Always has been. But with more people playing these days it's hard to tell whether that number will increase or decrease.
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One of the most retarded pugs i ever had....Way back in the days of 1.11.
The scourge invasion.
I was tanking for a group in Scholo.
We take down Lord Blackwood (Invasion only boss for those who didn't play during that time)
Lord Blackwood's Blade dropped.
I said I needed it as it was a nice upgrade.
Who did they let roll which meant i didn't get my sword?
A rogue.
I stopped tanking for them for the remainder of the instance due to that.
The scourge invasion.
I was tanking for a group in Scholo.
We take down Lord Blackwood (Invasion only boss for those who didn't play during that time)
Lord Blackwood's Blade dropped.
I said I needed it as it was a nice upgrade.
Who did they let roll which meant i didn't get my sword?
A rogue.
I stopped tanking for them for the remainder of the instance due to that.
I fail to see how this PUG was "retarded". That sword is a great weapon for combat rogues due to its swing speed. I agree that maybe you needed it more, but if it was an upgrade for him then he should still be allowed to roll for it.
Beyond that point pouting and refusing to tank for the group based on the fact that you lossed a roll is juvenile at best.
It wasn't really a loss of a roll, I actually remember the group leader saying "The rogue can have the sword".
The group didn't even care for their tank.
The group didn't even care for their tank.
I can beat that. My lock once lost out on a Dreadmist piece to a Hunter who rolled need because he wanted to vendor it... he "needed the cash."
I agree with the 1/80 rule, but now I keep a friend list of everyone good I've run with. We've formed a small but growing clique, so PuGs are starting to get a little more palatable.
I agree with the 1/80 rule, but now I keep a friend list of everyone good I've run with. We've formed a small but growing clique, so PuGs are starting to get a little more palatable.
I have a small army of healers on my freinds list no after many many runs with good healers and horrid ones I've found the ones that DON'T suck and even helped a few of them respecc back to Holy just so that I have another healer. :)
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It wasn't really a loss of a roll, I actually remember the group leader saying "The rogue can have the sword".
The group didn't even care for their tank.
The group didn't even care for their tank.
Your post makes you sound like a spoiled child though.
Edited, Oct 28th 2007 10:03pm by Zornov
Anyone else encountered SV pug freakshows. You know the ones where the hunters both use multishot, the tank wont wait till you drink up. The rogues want to tank or the shadowpriest wonders why MB'ing mobs tends to get them one-shotted(especially when the do it to the mobs the tank isnt on). Then instead of getting it together, letting the tank take aggro and trapping/sheeping a mob or two they do what most(I'm at a loss for what to call these people) do and blame the healer.
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Ok, picture this...lvl65 Feral tank druid, and lvl60 Warrior wielding 2-hander, Group leader says "who is tanking?"
THATS how bad the biased between Warrior and Druid tanks is... On the final boss (Ramps run - the dragon) someone in the group literally said:
"Warrior, do you have shield?"
W: "no"
"Then maybe druid should tank dragon"
When I had been tanking the whole instance...
THATS how bad the biased between Warrior and Druid tanks is... On the final boss (Ramps run - the dragon) someone in the group literally said:
"Warrior, do you have shield?"
W: "no"
"Then maybe druid should tank dragon"
When I had been tanking the whole instance...
Therulnig wrote:
"Warrior, do you have shield?"
W: "no"
God I hate that... come on, pick up a bloody shield instead of vendoring them and use it as a excue to not tank... pick it up, and tank if noone else in the group can!
Edited, Oct 30th 2007 9:47am by NecareXX
RuinatorVek wrote:
The Chance for a good pug is about 1/80. Always has been. But with more people playing these days it's hard to tell whether that number will increase or decrease.
One of the most retarded pugs i ever had....Way back in the days of 1.11.
The scourge invasion.
I was tanking for a group in Scholo.
We take down Lord Blackwood (Invasion only boss for those who didn't play during that time)
Lord Blackwood's Blade dropped.
I said I needed it as it was a nice upgrade.
Who did they let roll which meant i didn't get my sword?
A rogue.
I stopped tanking for them for the remainder of the instance due to that.
One of the most retarded pugs i ever had....Way back in the days of 1.11.
The scourge invasion.
I was tanking for a group in Scholo.
We take down Lord Blackwood (Invasion only boss for those who didn't play during that time)
Lord Blackwood's Blade dropped.
I said I needed it as it was a nice upgrade.
Who did they let roll which meant i didn't get my sword?
A rogue.
I stopped tanking for them for the remainder of the instance due to that.
I personally see way more good pugs than bad pugs. I almost never see bad pugs, to tell you the truth.
That said, the pug you mentioned wasn't retarded at all. You were. Not the rest of the group. That sword could be used by a warrior or rogue equally. For you to act so childish because you didn't get a single piece of gear... If I was a dpser in that run, you would've gone on my ignore list.
RuinatorVek wrote:
It wasn't really a loss of a roll, I actually remember the group leader saying "The rogue can have the sword".
The group didn't even care for their tank.
The group didn't even care for their tank.
Then roll need on it anyway. If they have a problem with it, what are they gonna do? Boot you? I'd leave a party if they said that I couldn't roll on something I could use, especially if it would benefit the current run. And if they set it to master looter, I would've left immediately anyway. I don't trust non-guildies to distribute loot, and even then, I wouldn't trust every guildie either.
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Then roll need on it anyway. If they have a problem with it, what are they gonna do? Boot you? I'd leave a party if they said that I couldn't roll on something I could use, especially if it would benefit the current run. And if they set it to master looter, I would've left immediately anyway. I don't trust non-guildies to distribute loot, and even then, I wouldn't trust every guildie either.
/agree
I am reviving this post for a Deadmines group I recently had.
Group was looking for 1 more dps, so i thought i'd take my druid.
the group was
Me(23 Druid)
20 Priest
18 Warrior
24 Rogue
22 Druid
Now, things seemed alright (apart from the fact that i think we wiped in the first room due to people attacking whatever they pleased).
After that room we do well and take down rhahk'zor fairly quickly...
The druid takes his white hammer to use. Why? i don't know.
Next fight we have the other druid is in normal form meleeing with the hammer >.>
I ask if he can hop back into cat form and he does.
Then i notice the priest is losing mana fast...why?
Because he shields people whenever they take any damage and was constantly using holy fire, so i gave him some useful hints (like Shield is an "Oh ****" button and that holy fire chews through mana fast, and that renew is his friend)
Before the next pull he whispers me and says "I'm shielding this pull"
We do fairly well and we beat smite, his hammer drops (the damn other druid won it >.>) and what does he do...goes into normal form and starts meleeing with the mace again!
At this point i was very very frustrated with this group, told the druid that meleeing with his mace is useless because mace skill does nothing for feral druids, so he hopped back into cat form.
Now at one point of this instance i was tanking, dpsing and healing (This was the saving grace for this instance for me, as it made me love my druid even more), and on numerous occasions i had to tell the priest "Don't use psychic scream, it'll make us wipe".
Now that my druids level 24, i think i'll steer clear of deadmines groups, as the past few groups i've had has proved to me that deadmines is like training grounds for newbs and noobs (and there were no newbs in this group).
Group was looking for 1 more dps, so i thought i'd take my druid.
the group was
Me(23 Druid)
20 Priest
18 Warrior
24 Rogue
22 Druid
Now, things seemed alright (apart from the fact that i think we wiped in the first room due to people attacking whatever they pleased).
After that room we do well and take down rhahk'zor fairly quickly...
The druid takes his white hammer to use. Why? i don't know.
Next fight we have the other druid is in normal form meleeing with the hammer >.>
I ask if he can hop back into cat form and he does.
Then i notice the priest is losing mana fast...why?
Because he shields people whenever they take any damage and was constantly using holy fire, so i gave him some useful hints (like Shield is an "Oh ****" button and that holy fire chews through mana fast, and that renew is his friend)
Before the next pull he whispers me and says "I'm shielding this pull"
We do fairly well and we beat smite, his hammer drops (the damn other druid won it >.>) and what does he do...goes into normal form and starts meleeing with the mace again!
At this point i was very very frustrated with this group, told the druid that meleeing with his mace is useless because mace skill does nothing for feral druids, so he hopped back into cat form.
Now at one point of this instance i was tanking, dpsing and healing (This was the saving grace for this instance for me, as it made me love my druid even more), and on numerous occasions i had to tell the priest "Don't use psychic scream, it'll make us wipe".
Now that my druids level 24, i think i'll steer clear of deadmines groups, as the past few groups i've had has proved to me that deadmines is like training grounds for newbs and noobs (and there were no newbs in this group).
There is one aspect that really happends only in retarded PUG's if you ask me.
Chaos... God I hate chaos.
Its the chaos where everybody thinks he knows best and the partychat get's flooded with all kind of 'advices'. I really don't want to know how the Voice Chat would be like with this kind of groups.
When I am in this kind of group I normally pull out my internet cable so it looks like a dc ^^. But the other night I kept going in ramparts and we actually downed every boss without wiping. And I wasn't even the healer or tank!
I'm kinda contradicting myself but thats just merely to emphazise the chaos aspect.
Chaos... God I hate chaos.
Its the chaos where everybody thinks he knows best and the partychat get's flooded with all kind of 'advices'. I really don't want to know how the Voice Chat would be like with this kind of groups.
When I am in this kind of group I normally pull out my internet cable so it looks like a dc ^^. But the other night I kept going in ramparts and we actually downed every boss without wiping. And I wasn't even the healer or tank!
I'm kinda contradicting myself but thats just merely to emphazise the chaos aspect.
Hehehe, only reason i was giving advice to the healer was because i have a high level priest, and i had to keep switching out to help heal so i was trying to help him with mana efficiency (as i rarely go OOM on my priesty)
Doing a favor for a guildie's first toon to reach outlands I decide to tank Ramps for him with me 70 rawrbearkitty. The PuG formed in minutes since z0mg! There's a level 70 to run them! 59 protadin, 70 bear, 64 kitty, 62 shammy, and a 61 priest.
Two of them (priest and shaman) immediately informed me that they had mains in raiding guilds, so they knew the zone very well.
We begin. I pull 3, fight is going smooth, grab 3 adds, med up and pull again. I start to notice my guildie dropping consecrate before I've even done any damage (beartanking) since I pull with faerie fire (feral) and back the pull closer to the group while the mobs beat on me so that I have enough rage to lacerate.. blah blah.
So the Prot charges the pull and drops consecrate, the mobs all aggro him and he dies. He does it again, he dies. No problem, the priest rez'd him up and after the second time he stopped doing it. Naturally, this is when the shaman decides to start chain lightning before I've done damage or lacerated (wtf deja vu?). He chain lightnings every pull thru the first boss and up to the second boss before my will to restrain diminishes...
So I say, 'Please don't AoE until I've damaged all the mobs, and wait on DpS until I at least have a lacerate or two on the first target.'
Shaman replies, 'The Paladin is the one doing it, I'm not even using AoEs.'
*ensue *****-fest about who's doing what and how uber the shaman is because he has a neltard in a kara guild*
Later, the shaman asks me if his DpS is good enough for raiding (at level 62 he avg'd about 400-600 DpS including his chain lightning spamfest) so I say yeah, alot of 70's still can't figure out how to pull off 600 DpS so I thought he was doing pretty good as an abstract, but cautioned him about his method of DpS.. to which of course he quickly reminded me that he is an uber-leet Nelftard in a raid guild and knows how to DpS..
I couldn't resist, jumped all over his case about how Hunters are so much more than DpS, he's slacking and being spoonfed if he thinks he knows his ****, etc.
He shuts up. We're up to the Demon Boss, nearly done! I tell the other druid to remove curses and heal the Protadin who is to offtank the spawns, everyone else worry about the boss. The Priest refuses and says the Curses don't do DoT and you just need to stay spread out.. which was enough to convince the other druid to not bother curing curses and stay in cat form to DpS the boss, but at least the Protadin off-tanked.
Sure, the DpS outran the curses.. but I think it definately taught a few gamers the wrong method in that fight if they ever come back to do it again without higher help. One flamefest was enough.. I let it go, but has taken me to this forum to say:
Just because you get ran thru Kara in a craptastic guild that is overgeared for it so you can get away with sucking does NOT make you skilled. If anything, the content had assured those two asses that they knew better because they had been in a higher level area with over-geared players helping them.. wait a sec.. it's the same thing as a 70 running them thru ramps! They apparantly don't learn squat with spoonfeeding. That is this bear's opinion.
Two of them (priest and shaman) immediately informed me that they had mains in raiding guilds, so they knew the zone very well.
We begin. I pull 3, fight is going smooth, grab 3 adds, med up and pull again. I start to notice my guildie dropping consecrate before I've even done any damage (beartanking) since I pull with faerie fire (feral) and back the pull closer to the group while the mobs beat on me so that I have enough rage to lacerate.. blah blah.
So the Prot charges the pull and drops consecrate, the mobs all aggro him and he dies. He does it again, he dies. No problem, the priest rez'd him up and after the second time he stopped doing it. Naturally, this is when the shaman decides to start chain lightning before I've done damage or lacerated (wtf deja vu?). He chain lightnings every pull thru the first boss and up to the second boss before my will to restrain diminishes...
So I say, 'Please don't AoE until I've damaged all the mobs, and wait on DpS until I at least have a lacerate or two on the first target.'
Shaman replies, 'The Paladin is the one doing it, I'm not even using AoEs.'
*ensue *****-fest about who's doing what and how uber the shaman is because he has a neltard in a kara guild*
Later, the shaman asks me if his DpS is good enough for raiding (at level 62 he avg'd about 400-600 DpS including his chain lightning spamfest) so I say yeah, alot of 70's still can't figure out how to pull off 600 DpS so I thought he was doing pretty good as an abstract, but cautioned him about his method of DpS.. to which of course he quickly reminded me that he is an uber-leet Nelftard in a raid guild and knows how to DpS..
I couldn't resist, jumped all over his case about how Hunters are so much more than DpS, he's slacking and being spoonfed if he thinks he knows his ****, etc.
He shuts up. We're up to the Demon Boss, nearly done! I tell the other druid to remove curses and heal the Protadin who is to offtank the spawns, everyone else worry about the boss. The Priest refuses and says the Curses don't do DoT and you just need to stay spread out.. which was enough to convince the other druid to not bother curing curses and stay in cat form to DpS the boss, but at least the Protadin off-tanked.
Sure, the DpS outran the curses.. but I think it definately taught a few gamers the wrong method in that fight if they ever come back to do it again without higher help. One flamefest was enough.. I let it go, but has taken me to this forum to say:
Just because you get ran thru Kara in a craptastic guild that is overgeared for it so you can get away with sucking does NOT make you skilled. If anything, the content had assured those two asses that they knew better because they had been in a higher level area with over-geared players helping them.. wait a sec.. it's the same thing as a 70 running them thru ramps! They apparantly don't learn squat with spoonfeeding. That is this bear's opinion.
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