Frost Raiding ComparisonFollow

Has anyone with around 1000 frost damage tested 40-0-21 vs 18-0-43?

I usually raided with 40-0-21 and last night I went with 18-0-43. On boss fights my DPS ranged from low to upper 600s. I feel like it could be much higher and I'm thinking that next time I go I'm going to try the other spec.

What is the definitive frost raiding spec? Don't say 10-48-3 either, I'm trying to stay frost if at all possible. Will I always be behind the fire mages no matter how well I gear myself up?

Thanks guys

Thats exactly the type of answer I was looking for...

Heres a better question, who has hit the highest sustained DPS as a frost spec? Normal mobs (no curator type) what was your spec and what was the DPS #?

Ehh.. You'll always lag behind fire/arc mages...

I've been frost from somewhat 32 to 70. Got all my purples and raided a lot too.
What i found out was (prob the same as with fire) that once u go over 800 spelldmg you dont need the arcane tree anymore for more dmg.

My spec at that time was 10/0/51. Very good mana eff and dmg (i'm talking about raiding now) Since the change in artic winds i went 2/0/59 to get the most out of my frost tree concerning dmg. In kara it worked very well, lost of dps and high crits. When you put more point in arcane you lose some dps in the frost tree and some survivability.

Now im 10/48/3 also full epic and the damage is much higher. So yeah you will always stay behind a fire/arcane mage (depends on the player and gear though)

Frost is really good (much better then fire) for arena/PVP. But when it comes to raiding/DMG fire does more dmg

Question from the knowledge hungry nonmage: Is it really worth giving up Clearcasting in a 2/0/59 build? In terms of purely raiding, I see about 40 points that actually have an effect on bosses, plus 2 extras to get that deep in the tree, a couple things like Ice Flows and a few AoE-oriented ones that could be taken for Solarian/Tidewalker/Hyjal waves and the like. Since you can get pretty much all of those with a 10/0/51 build, I don't see how a 2/0/59 build would be on par.

not worth it. the moment you start to chain cast, you use a lot of mana rather quickly. without clearcasting, your mana pool depetes faster meaning you evocate earlier which reduces your effectiveness. this is especially damaging for fights that last longer than 10 minutes.



frozenshadowweave and spellfire are about competitive. The latter being suited for that dreaded fire built you loathe. The first is actually good until you fill your other slots with gear that would give you around 750 spelldmg and above without arcane mind. From then on its more beneficial to hit 17/44 since empowered frostbolt scales a lot better with gear.

Fire starts coming into its own at around 800 fire damage. At that level, a fully scorched up target can be crit for 3.5k per fireball. Last night a kind warlock put up CoE and I saw 4.4k crits (shudder to think what would happen without salvation).

Firemages gave up a lot of survival to become the bonafide glass canon of the mage class. They will be blasting something like 680 to 700 dps (more when u get further down the line in pve).

having said all that, the Black temple fights are not that friendly to fire. spellfire mages resort to arcane there, which is also quite viable even at lower gear levels.

We attempted Void Reaver last night and I was 40/0/21. Aside from running from the orbs, I was right around 600 dps which I think is alright for where I am sitting as far as gear goes. As far as crits go, I had a 4826 frostbolt crit and I almost shat myself. I didn't think that I could get one that high. That was without any shammy totems. We are trying gruuls tonight. First time since I respecced so we will see how that goes.

-One question I have. If there is another mage with winter's chill stacked, do I get the extra crit chance too?

Awesome. Hopefully I can get the magus blade or the dagger off of prince sometime this week. I want to respec back to 10/0/61. I am at 826 damage right now and with the blade will be around 900ish plus I will throw the 40 dmg enchant on asap.

Three 3-minute mages + 2 frost mages = my 5v5 dead before we realized what happened. Charged in, PoM pyro/fbolt me and the healer, mass AoE. I was dead before their models even loaded O.o

40/0/21 or similar actually surpasses 10/0/51 IF you have another mage to stack Winter's Chill AND you have T6 equivalent gear. But then again, at that gear level, Fire is running about 200 paper dps higher.

i believe you would have to take 25% of your total int and take off the free spell dmg from your total.

not sure if arcane mind messes this up or not

sorry.... i will explain

when u said arcane talents giving you more spell damage I think you meant Arcane Mastery right?

Thats more spell damage based on 25% of your int. The thing that would skew this could be arcane mind, which boosts ur total int. All that int adds up into a bunch of spelldamage.

If you could discount all that extra spelldamage that came from your int then you will get the spelldamage that your gear is giving you. Or you can do this hard way and just add up all the spell damage manually.