So, this is mostly directed at KD, North, and a few others that are SV hunters.
Looking at my gear right now I know I got some work to do, but is it as simple as changing out gems/enchants?
I already know I am getting +35 Agil to Weapon and the 15~ to Gloves.
What enchants besides the 2 above could be replaced?
What Gems do I currently have (Besides the Legs as I am waiting to replace them) that can be switched out for +8 Agil gems? some smartass is probly going to say all.
What Gear needs to be thrown all together for a replacement (please don't say my Ebon >.<).
What Head/Shoulder Enchants would be better (if any)
Thanks for the help guys ;)
I tried to research and I have kinda a general idea, but wanting to see if you guys know something I don't
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Just keep switching out until you have 550-600 Agility, then start mixing and matching gems/enchants until you are satisfied with your Crit/Hit/Ap. After 550 Agility, I make a point of having my Hunters cap their Hit rating, and make sure they have enough AP that Mortal Shots and the high Crit chance will really hurt the boss.
It's easy, really.
After that, you will pretty much upgrade it all one by one.
Edit: If memory serves, I seem to recall you wearing the Ebon Netherscale set. Get RID of that thing! It is worse than blues for a Surv Hunter, really. Get Thick Netherscale Breastplate, and possibly some PvP rewards or blues with the right gems to boot. That ought to up your Agility by a massive amount, even though it might lower both your AP and Crit.
Edited, Oct 26th 2007 6:07pm by NorthAI
It's easy, really.
After that, you will pretty much upgrade it all one by one.
Edit: If memory serves, I seem to recall you wearing the Ebon Netherscale set. Get RID of that thing! It is worse than blues for a Surv Hunter, really. Get Thick Netherscale Breastplate, and possibly some PvP rewards or blues with the right gems to boot. That ought to up your Agility by a massive amount, even though it might lower both your AP and Crit.
Edited, Oct 26th 2007 6:07pm by NorthAI
Sorry, but I agree, I think your Ebon has to go.
One alternative that isn't too hard to get, even if you only use it as a temporary replacement, is the Felstalker set. It has:
Agi 62
Int 54
AP 140 (+62 from Agi = 202)
(Crit rating from Agi = 34.2 = 1.55%)
Sockets - 3 Red, 3 Blue
Set Bonus = +20 Hit rating for 350 Leatherworker
I've compared the Felstalker and Ebon sets several times and always seem to conclude the Felstalker is at least as good, if not better. For a SV spec, the 62 Agi would seem to make it a lot better (unless the 1.25% crit is a huge deal for SV?).
Numbers for Ebon set:
Int 39
AP 150
Crit Rating 62 (2.8%)
+20 Mana/5 sec
Sockets - 3 Blue, 3 Yellow
Set Bonus = +20 Hit rating for 350 Leatherworker
One alternative that isn't too hard to get, even if you only use it as a temporary replacement, is the Felstalker set. It has:
Agi 62
Int 54
AP 140 (+62 from Agi = 202)
(Crit rating from Agi = 34.2 = 1.55%)
Sockets - 3 Red, 3 Blue
Set Bonus = +20 Hit rating for 350 Leatherworker
I've compared the Felstalker and Ebon sets several times and always seem to conclude the Felstalker is at least as good, if not better. For a SV spec, the 62 Agi would seem to make it a lot better (unless the 1.25% crit is a huge deal for SV?).
Numbers for Ebon set:
Int 39
AP 150
Crit Rating 62 (2.8%)
+20 Mana/5 sec
Sockets - 3 Blue, 3 Yellow
Set Bonus = +20 Hit rating for 350 Leatherworker
azwing wrote:
I've compared the Felstalker and Ebon sets several times and always seem to conclude the Felstalker is at least as good, if not better. For a SV spec, the 62 Agi would seem to make it a lot better (unless the 1.25% crit is a huge deal for SV?).
I used to have the Felstalker set. I had the same amount of AP, but less Stam. Thus why I switched to the Ebon Netherscale... god I am going to hate ditching that set...
Well... Broke Bank here I come!
Well... Broke Bank here I come!
Felstalker is easily obtained. Most of the LW mats are farmed so fast it's not even funny, and the Primal's are farmed by selling the surplus Skinning mats.
Yes, I used to have it, not looking forward to grinding out the Air again though, on my server, all the places to farm have a relatively low drop rate.
Don't ditch it... bank it!
It's perfectly acceptable to have entirely different sets of gear for different specs. Who knows when you want to respec, Blizz can't keep their minds made up so suddenly SV could totally suck in some future patch. Maybe MM gets top billing for a while again, who knows.
In the beginning there was the Bank, and it was good.
Happy grinding for the gold, though my friend swears by the Daily runs for his gold generation. He claims to make 80g per day in under a half hour...
It's perfectly acceptable to have entirely different sets of gear for different specs. Who knows when you want to respec, Blizz can't keep their minds made up so suddenly SV could totally suck in some future patch. Maybe MM gets top billing for a while again, who knows.
In the beginning there was the Bank, and it was good.
Happy grinding for the gold, though my friend swears by the Daily runs for his gold generation. He claims to make 80g per day in under a half hour...
Thats about what I make, I cant do my Dailies, Daily though :P
Caldone, don't worry--the transition will be quicker than you think :)
Coming from another MM who specced survival, you don't have to be t3h uber right away. Gradually change your sockets as you can, and keep an extra set of gear. I find that the Felstalker set is a good, easily obtainable one... but another you can consider is the Laughing Skull battle harnes--if I'm remembering correctly you can get the most AGI out of that one. Could be wrong, though.
Anyway, happy hunting! You'll like survival. I do miss silencing shot and I'm getting ready to spec back to scatter as well, but it's generally very fun :)
Coming from another MM who specced survival, you don't have to be t3h uber right away. Gradually change your sockets as you can, and keep an extra set of gear. I find that the Felstalker set is a good, easily obtainable one... but another you can consider is the Laughing Skull battle harnes--if I'm remembering correctly you can get the most AGI out of that one. Could be wrong, though.
Anyway, happy hunting! You'll like survival. I do miss silencing shot and I'm getting ready to spec back to scatter as well, but it's generally very fun :)
Caldone, You may want to try a 0-27-34 build taking combat experience, until you up your agility. I used this build until i hit the level of agility that i wanted. Another thing you might want to do is get the entire beast lord set, this is a great set for the starting sv hunter, and will give you the 550 base agi. then you can upgrade from there. As long as your in kara, there is enough gear there to reach 1k agil buffed, so you should have no problems, just look through the loot tables.
I'm planning on making myself the Felstalker set until I can upgrade some gear. I'm glad someone brought it up, I wasn't sure if I should just grind out instances for gear, or break down and buy/grind out the mats for that.
I'll be switching to a Surv. Build tonight from my leveling BM/MM build.
I'll be switching to a Surv. Build tonight from my leveling BM/MM build.
montaghar wrote:
Caldone, You may want to try a 0-27-34 build taking combat experience, until you up your agility.
Getting combat experience (a weak talent) instead of sometjing as insanely good as TotH is NEVER EVER worth it.
For agi pieces: yes, throw your netherscale into the bank.
Then get the cheap blue belt from ah with 30 something agility and either the thick netherscale or the chest from BM (both good) and bracers you can most likely get easy from Kara or something.
Besides that, a bunch of +8 agi gems (to get to 650-700 after LR) and you'll be fine gearwise.
you can still take Toth with a 27-34 build
Hmmm I'll have to think about all that, not raiding with my Hunter atm, so having to do it on my offtime (which is very little).
Getting there though ;)
Getting there though ;)
montaghar wrote:
you can still take Toth with a 27-34 build
or you'll be chipping points from EW....
Either way, its NOT worth it. EVER.
Heh, I have 1/3 TotH and 3/3 EW :)
damn I'm sory I didn't see this thread sooner. I'm a work browser so bad about checkin on weekends. You've gotten good advice so not really alot I can add. you pretty well nailed it yourself on gems/enchants.
I deffinately wouldn't throw out your ebon stuff. bank it, ya never know.
I deffinately wouldn't throw out your ebon stuff. bank it, ya never know.
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damn I'm sory I didn't see this thread sooner. I'm a work browser so bad about checkin on weekends. You've gotten good advice so not really alot I can add. you pretty well nailed it yourself on gems/enchants.
I deffinately wouldn't throw out your ebon stuff. bank it, ya never know.
I deffinately wouldn't throw out your ebon stuff. bank it, ya never know.
Knowing my luck I will just finish up gearing out Surv and MM will become the powerhouse again.
>.<
Caldone the Shady wrote:
Heh, I have 1/3 TotH and 3/3 EW :)
At 20% crit its equal to 4/5 effeciency (8% manacost reduction), at 25% crit its equal to 5/5 and at 33% its equal to 13.3% manacost reduction.
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3/3 TotH is worth dropping points for, its simply godly for raiding.
At 20% crit its equal to 4/5 effeciency (8% manacost reduction), at 25% crit its equal to 5/5 and at 33% its equal to 13.3% manacost reduction.
At 20% crit its equal to 4/5 effeciency (8% manacost reduction), at 25% crit its equal to 5/5 and at 33% its equal to 13.3% manacost reduction.
I have efficiency too though ;)
you should, but the point is: TotH is (way) more effective then effeciency.
And efeciency is already a no brainer to pick for raiding.
Thus TotH is just Pure awesome (ToTh+Effeciency+good crit rating=never Oom anymore)
And efeciency is already a no brainer to pick for raiding.
Thus TotH is just Pure awesome (ToTh+Effeciency+good crit rating=never Oom anymore)
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